Until now, I was expressing my opinion with my Stars and Stripes hat on.

Switching over to my blue and white cap, nothing will be good for us. :-?
I wouldn't say Turkey is not an ally altogether. I would say you cannot count on them for certain and that more Islamism and less securalism is in their future. And at some point they will no longer be an ally at all.

I copied paste this off a kiwi forum, theres been a big debate going on about iraq for over a year now lol. This muslim bloke goes by the name of Z0, wrote this:

osama said in reaction to 9/11:
"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia?

Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims."

Question: Did Bin laden really say this?

Who cares?

Still shaking off the effects of that last virtual valium are we Skybird? ;)

Huh, everyone ready to come forward and support the west theory but hey noone cares about the other. Is there some truth in what osama said then? ;)

Its was just a question.

i remember that video that showed osama after 9-11 returning to some chieftain's assembly and reporting on how successful "their" strike has been, and how glorious it was. as long as noone can prove that video was a fake by the evil wicked CIA, i take it as it is. It is an admittance of guilt.

It is also allowed, if not demanded, to lie and deceive the infidels, if it is for the advantage of Islam.

So I only have one question about the stuff quoted on top: "Who cares what he says?"

So the west never lies

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