No way would I knowingly put torpedoes into a hospital ship.

Apart from the obvious moral and international treaty reasons, which make the idea abhorrent, there's some other ones:

There may well be German, or at least friendly nation PWs on board. (Think similar to the Laconia incident)

Certainly civilians and probably women and children

You will have used torpedoes against a non-military, non-strategic and non-commerce target.

Depending on the date of the atrocity, you will have alienated your country and brought down the wrath of the mighty (does this ring a bell?) In WW2 this could bring powerful nations into the war against you, or certainly harden the resolve of those you are supposed to be fighting
Thus making it harder to hunt, and for other boats to hunt legitimate targets in future

You will have given away your position. It's rare that a hospital ship would be far away from a convoy, isn't it?

And even if not hunted down like a rat at the time, your life span is strictly limited to the Nuremberg Trials, and the noose that will most surely be fitted round your neck.

I know it's only a game, but if you only did it to amass renown points, then mate, your girl was right. And why four torpedoes against an unarmed hospital ship? Why not just surface and have some fun with deck gun practice, whilst peppering her lifeboat decks with the AA gun?

Seriously though, I'd scuttle that boat however far you've got with it, and come out of port with a clean one.

Sorry if that sounded a bit harsh, and it was at least a very honest question and thread.

LS

I agree completely. In GW it is my intention to make the torpedoing of a hospital ship a career-ending event.

Furthermore, something that I am eternally sensitive to in relation to GW... is the honor of the sea-going fighting man and woman.

There are bad eggs in every branch of every service everywhere... However, I choose to have a little faith in humanity and believe that even among combatants at war... there are lines that cannot be crossed without giving up one's own humanity.

Certainly crimes and atrocities were committed... but these things overpower the individual fighting man's existence.

Sorry for the sermon.

Before I installed this new GW RND I just modded to my taste I had Hospital ships sailing independant and the similar Serg transport and until you got close you could not tell them a part. At night it was near impossible.
I was sure one was a transport so opened fire with my deck gun. With its spotlights beaming I could not make out the crosses so kept firing.
With the ship burning I manned the AA and took out the spotlights and fired a star shell.
Lo and behold it was a hospital ship.
I could not believe it. I was sure it was not
I apologized in Italian and they relpied they knew I wasn't German or they would have been sunk by now so I lost no renown.:rotfl:


I set my neutral from -1 to 1 because most ships heading to England are fair game IMO. I respect the proper neutrals like Sweden or any non combatant traveling alone and not in the direction of an enemy port.

I will have to edit the new RND to have that as the extra demension is fun.
I also had them in convoys with the same type transports. One in five were hospital ships and I was always nervous in a rain storm about my targets. They would not have been in convoys but I could not resist the added question of their possible presence.
I will leave them out of my GW-modded RND convoys because it is not real.

Wulfmann

Lol. Is there a mod to simulate that?

Yestrday i sunk my 6th Hospital ship..and i still didnt get -10000 !! First 2 or 3 i sunk in previous career but then i was sunk by DCs from DD.When i started next career i cleaned all traces of SHIII(including registry check) and then i patched him and then i added GW1.0+1.1 update using JSGME ( i checked manyaly all *.7z archives,they are all ok)..The point is i did this becose still (now in my second GW career in 1942,october) i still didnt see either negative renow for hospital ships or single aircraft(beside that 2 BF109 over my starting port)...any ideas?:damn: :damn:

I don't sink Hospital ships. Anything else is fair game, although I won't waste an eel on anything smaller than a coastal steamer (so if the weather is too bad for guns then its a lucky day for the enemy skipper).

Sink Hospital Ships is a war crime. It's a blur in honor of Kriegsmarine and his men.

Priceless....:up: :sunny:

Haha Yeah. i guess he sank it just becuse his wife said No :D

No. Just no. Wars are wrong, but sinking a ship clearly marked as a hospital ship is wronger, at least to me. I've seen a lone hospital ship in the mid-atlantic as well, but I dove and proceeded to ignore it. I made sure it was gone and then surfaced so as to not be tempted to destroy it, and also because I don't want my position reported. Passenger liners I don't mind sinking if they are not clearly marked as civilian liners, such as if they converted to troop transports. However, if I saw any markings on a liner that would lead me to suspect it was not a troop transport, I would ignore it. Now, that is ignoring the fact that all passenger liners in-game have no markings, I know, but I'm only talking about morals here.

No way Hospital ships are a no no to me,Geneveva Convention or whatever just amagine if you got blasted to kingdom come and you were aboard a Hospital ship not very nice is it ?

Call me a fool, but to me, those hospital ships are transporting enemy soldiers who will soon become 'operational' (as someone earlier put it) again and be killing our colleagues in the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, and probably the Kriegsmarine and the Ubootwaffe itself. If it flies the flag of Britain, America, France, etc. I will send it to Davey Jones's locker.

They'd do it to us (and they did, if memory serves...a troop transport carrying wounded German soldiers and Allied POWs was torpedoed in the aftermath of the Convoy P.Q. 17 debacle), so I say we do it to them. And also, we did in real life: I'm not sure exactly which invasion it was, but around the time of the North Africa/Italy campaign, one of our radio guided bombs (okay, so the Luftwaffe did it) hit and sunk a hospital ship, along with the ship HMS Uganda.

No, hospital ships are a no go.

Besides the several good reasons listed by other people, here's an evil idea to consider:

You should let them go because the whole idea of the U-boat is to starve Britain out of the war (not to death, just out of the war)... well, think about it... wounded soldiers don't produce anything but still consume food, medicine and various goods, so they actually help YOUR cause and bring Britain closer to quiting the war.

Interesting point of view. :hmm:

I've mentioned this before, but I think there is a logic fault with the renown awarded for sinking a Hospital ship.

The renown awarded is -10000. However, the renown multiplier for sinking a neutral ship is -1. Thus, -1 x -10000 = +10000 renown awarded for sinking a neutral Hospital ship.

I suggested that the -10000 value be changed to +10000 (remembering that *all* other ship renown values are positive regardless of whether they are Allied, Axis or neutral), but have never heard whether anyone tested my theory. :hmm:

If hospital ships are willing to give away your position, then to me they are fair game. Though instead of sinking it, I toy with it...to scare them a bit. Maybe fire a few rounds across her bow....make my men moon at the onlookers....harass the pretty nurses....you know....get a loudspeaker and shout "...show us your knickers!"...that sort of thing. Then I'd pull alongside and draw a big picture of the Fuhrer...it's white so it should show up well. Then I'd get all the rotting food and try to aim it through the open windows...
yes....you can still have a lot of fun without sinking them. :up:

I just going to place myself next to the Hospital ship.
I let my men Board and rape the hot nurses for 30 minutes :arrgh!:
Harrr....5 days with no Sex can hurt you're Snake Harr Harr

You stand correct Sir.
This has been pointed out by myself as well to those who need to know.