Hee..hee. My sentiments exactly DeepSix!

Now if Japanese sub control is included here's your Long Lance ticket to immortality. :ping:

http://zioxville.homestead.com/files/Lexington.jpg

I love to get me hands on a long lance torpedo :up: If there was a mod to add them to my XXI I would be in heaven, as well as a lot of mechant crews! :rock:

Hate to burst the bubble, because the "Long Lance" was indeed an excellent torpedo, but I think it was only used in surface ships. The submarine torpedo was the Type 95. Both models were driven by compressed oxygen (hydrogen peroxide) and travelled at 45-50 knots, IIRC.

But, heck yeah, Long Lances could ruin anybody's day. :D

I recall reading the long lance was 23" and used by aircraft mostly... the 21" wich fitted german subs and was used by Monsun boats was inferior quality...

Yea, and sure most of my Marks would be duds!!! Grrrr!!![/quote]

Not one Jap sub had the LL 24inch fish. Every warship built from 1925 on had 24 inch (how did you arrive at 23inch???) except the small Tomozuru (650ton) and Otori (95otons) torpedo boats.

With all the models in this game I do not see making a single Jap boat and one less US sub as anything but a big increase in interest, ergo sales and profits.
I would prefer less but netter sub models and would be happy with an S Boat and then any common later Gato type and one fine I-Boat; the B1 (I-15) class would be my choice because it could start the war and end in it and was a decent boat.

The Jap boats looked good on paper but were poor to maneuver, slow to dive and weak hulled compared with US and German subs.
If done accurately they would sink easily to minor depth charge attacks that US and German subs would survive.
Wulfmann

What about merchant ships? If the US is primarily the primary side, then a good variety of Japanese merchants will be needed. :yep: They should be smaller than in the Atlantic too, as Japanese merchant vessels seemed to have a tendency to be smaller than their Atlantic counterparts. I think we really need at least:

Four classes of tankers. One very small class around 1,000 GRT, one medium class (~5,000 GRT), one large-medium class (~7,000 GRT) and one rare and very large class (10,000+ GRT). If Whale Factories are to be classified as tankers, then a 17-19,000 GRT one will do fine as well.

Four classes of freighter. One under 1,000 GRT, two between 2,000 and 5,000 GRT, and one around 7,500 GRT.

Three types of passenger vessels. One small passenger/cargo combination (~3,000 GRT), one transport (5-6,000 GRT), and one larger passenger liner (~15,000 GRT).

Several types of auxiliaries, including seaplane carriers, sub depots, and destroyer tenders.

At least three or four types of coastal crafts - sampans, regular fishing boats, tugboats, etc.

As someone else said, the SHIV dev team should check out this thread and others, as advice from their consumer base could prove to be at least a little helpful. :yep:

Some pictures of Japanese auxiliaries, similar to regular merchants:

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/auxil...hip-mamiya.jpg

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/auxil/img/ship-soya.jpg

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/auxil...hip-chogei.jpg

Strange looking tanker :o :

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/auxil...p-ashizuri.jpg

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/auxil...p-hayamoto.jpg

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/auxil...ip-tsurumi.jpg

This tanker looks more like a light cruiser :P :

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/auxil...p-sunosaki.jpg

So does this one:

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/auxil...surugisaki.jpg

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/auxil...hip-aikoku.jpg

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/auxil...hip-hokoku.jpg

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/auxil...mikawamaru.jpg

http://warships.web4u.cz/japan/amphi...hinshumaru.gif

I could post more, including some strange-looking landing craft, but these will be enough. It should be noted that a lot of these auxiliaries are larger than most of their mercantile counterparts, especially the tankers (the ones pictured are mainly over 14,000 GRT).

That all sounds good to me. :yep: I think the converted whale factories should go in the tanker category as well.

(Were any of them used for other purposes? I'm thinking they were all used as tankers.)

Some whale factories were indeed converted to tankers. :yep: And some tankers were converted to whale factories. :cool:

I hope SHIII and SHIV ships will be interchangeable. It would help if they could be combined, and would give us a larger roster. :hmm:

AG124's awesome pictures
 

In case anyone is curious :

#1 is the Mamiya, a refrigerated stores ship (17,500 tons).

#2 is the Soya, an ammunition ship (3,800 tons).

#3 is the Chogei, a submarine tender (8,600 tons).

#4 is the Akashi, a repair ship (10,500 tons).

#5 & #6 are Shiretoko class oilers (15,450 tons).

#7 is the Sunosaki, an aviation gasoline tanker (4,700 tons).

#8 is the Tsurigisaki, a submarine tender (13,000 tons). All of you would know her better as the light carrier Shoho. This is what she looked like before conversion.

#9 & #10 are armed merchant cruisers - either Aikoku Maru, Hokoku Maru, or Gokoku Maru (10,438 tons).

#11 is a seaplane tender of the Kamikawa Maru type (6,853 - 8,407 tons)

#12 is labeled Shinshu Maru. The real Shinshu Maru was a landing ship that looks nothing like the ship in the drawing. The closest to an identification that I can make is a hospital ship, except for the obvious gun mounts. The silhouettes are very close though.

Does anybody have any other ship pictures?

If you would like me to try to ID them, please post them.

All of those pictures are from the site listed below. There is some detailed information if anyone would like to check it out. I didn't think anyone would be interested. Maybe a certain PC submarine game Dev team might want to have a look... :hmm: :cool:

http://warships.web4u.cz/tridy.php?l...at=JAP&typ=AUX

There are many more pictures and ships here too. :yep: I think I've posted links to this page before though.

EDIT: SSN756, you might want to check that page. Some of the descriptions there appear to be wrong from what you are saying. Those seaplane carriers were listed as tankers for example, which they really don't look like at all. Maybe you should contact the webmaster to let him know.

Deepsix, by compressed do you mean liquid ? cause that's what fuelled these babies, in fact many DD's had liquid oxygen facilities on board to fill spares, and the large box like tube mounts were armoured to protect the eels from splinters.
Have a read of this:

Ship and Submarine Torpedoes

Model Diameter Length OA Total Weight Explosive Charge Range Wander (max) Comments

6th Year Type 21" 22' 5" 3157 lbs. 441 lbs. 7,000m @ 36 kts
10,000m @ 32 kts
15,000m @ 26 kts ? An older torpedo still used in some of the older RO-class submarines.

8th Year Type 24" 27' 7" 5207 lbs. 761 lbs. 10,000m @ 38 kts
15,000m @ 32 kts
20,000m @ 28 kts ? A large conventional wet-heater torpedo still used aboard some older cruisers and destroyers, notably Nagara.

Type 92 21" 23' 5" 3792 lbs. 661 lbs. 7000m @ 30 kts 120m / 7,000m An electric torpedo for submarines, used extensively throughout the war.

Type 93 24" 29' 6" 5952 lbs. 1080 lbs. 20,000m @ 48 kts
32,000m @ 40 kts
40,000m @ 36 kts 500m / 20,000m
1000m / 32,000m
1500m / 40,000m The Long Lance. 'Nuff said.

Type 95 21" 23' 5" 3671 lbs. 893 lbs. 9,000m @ 49 kts
12,000m @ 45 kts 170m / 9,000m
250m / 12,000m A smaller version of the Type 93 intended for submarines.

Type 97 17.7" 18' 5" 2161 lbs. 772 lbs. 5,500m @ 44 kts 80m /5,500m A miniaturized Type 93 intended for midget submarines. Very unsuccesful (its oxygen flasks leaked a lot), it was used operationally only once - at Pearl Harbor.

Just for giggles, let's take a look at the statistics on the standard US Navy destroyer torpedo of the war, the Mark 15.


Model Diameter Length OA Total Weight Explosive Charge Range Max Launch Speed Comments
Mark 15 21" 24' 0" 3841 lbs. 825 lbs. 5,500m @ 45 kts
9,150m @ 33 kts
13,700m @ 26 kts ?

BTW, how do I post pics here ?

Re: Japanese Ships Which Should be in SHIV
 

Yep, the Ise and Hyuga should be included as they were converted post Midway to BCV's, and Chitose and Chiyoda were converted to full length carriers, and should be included, as should the depot and repair ships, why ?, glad you asked, if we have a dynamic campaign generator and engine then sinking the repair and depot ships should mean ships damaged take longer to get back in to the fight, that is if these tenders aren't available to make repairs.

We all would love to see everything. The purpose here is to list in the order you find most important in hopes the Devs will consider our opinions in making choices.

If they were going to only use 2 BB models are you saying you think Ise would be number one?
I am pretty sure most would say Kongo is number one because there are 4 instead of 2 as the other 4 classes are pairs and the Kongos were the only ones deployed on a regular basis. Then you would understand the fact they will make Yamato and Musashi simply because they are Yamato and Musashi and that is reason enough!!

It is a matter pf what priority do we list them. We want them all but being realistic we know that is unlikely so hope for what we think are the more relevant, what ever that is.


Wulfmann

I didn't mean that either the Ise or Chitose classes should be left out, but that if we had to pick and choose those would be two that would have to go. As Wulfmann said, there are just too many class and judging by the roster in SHIII, we are not going to get everything.

BTW - The Ise and Hyuga were indeed converted to half-carriers, but the conversion was a waste and they were never used in that role (they carried no aircraft at Leyte Gulf). And when I was talking about the Chitose and Chiyoda, I was refering to them after they had been converted. It doesn't matter, as most Japanese carriers were converted from some other type of ship. There are many other classes which are more important. (They could probably be kitbashed from the Zuiho class later).

And I don't recall saying that repair/depot ships shouldn't be included - in fact, I said they should be and even posted some pictures which you can see here.

Though I would indeed like to see every single Japanese ship class included if it were possible... :hmm:

Yup, that's what I meant. I probably used the wrong words to describe it, though. Chemistry was not my strong suit. :D

You paste a link to the pic into your post; most people use free hosting sites like imageshack or photobucket; are you familiar with those?

Sorry about that, and Amen.

No, not familiar with them mate.

If they devs need to know which aircraft to include, they need look no further than pacific fighters..... :yep:

Ok. You have to create an account (a nuisance, yes, but it's free) at a hosting site, then you can upload images from your machine to the site. They'll provide you with an "IMG" tag after you do. Copy the tag and paste it in your post. Simple as that. Then it'll show up embedded in forums.