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Sixpack 03-29-06 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixpack
LOL. You would not say but I stopped reading right there as well !

I could fill in the blanks myself from there on :rotfl:

[time management, guys, for me it's all about time management :know: ]

Skybird 03-29-06 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
Abraham Lincoln had a saying during the U.S. Civil War. We are a nation of laws, but "The Constitution is not a suicide pact".

I like that one.

The Avon Lady 03-29-06 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
Abraham Lincoln had a saying during the U.S. Civil War. We are a nation of laws, but "The Constitution is not a suicide pact".

I like that one.

However, Lincoln never said it. :nope:

Skybird 03-29-06 06:31 AM

Is this a Philip K. Dick scenario, then? :-?

scandium 03-29-06 06:31 AM

Re: Good bye Europe
 
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I stopped reading at "Europe’s botched civilization, perverted by socialism and lost faith..."

Being a democratic socialist I lost interest in whatever else he had to say when he began with the assumption that socialism is a perversion while still only at the point of laying out his thesis statement. Either he's a very poor writer or the article is aimed at a select audience who share that premise as a foregone conclusion.

Ahw c'mon scandium!
You stopped reading after one remark about socialism? You have no stomach for polemics against the left?
I don't believe you, if only because your postings often show much background knowledge. I would advise you always to read your opponents opinion, you might learn something from him.
To give you an example: I read your postings - not just because I'm moderating - although usually I don't agree at all with you. I'm just looking for something to learn...
:rotfl:

Yes but I try and save my most controversial points for the body or closing portion of my post rather than the opening portion before even getting to the thesis statement ;)

I actually don't mind polemic against the left, in fact I'm rather used to it as its somewhat common. If the author's thesis statement was that socialism was a perversion, then I might have read it to see why he believes this is so. However, having begun in his opening paragraph with a controversial premise even before getting to his thesis then he'd already lost me because I know what follows will not be based on any reasoned arguements (because one does not construct them from such a shaky foundation).

The Avon Lady 03-29-06 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
Is this a Philip K. Dick scenario, then? :-?

I had to look that one up. :doh:

Here's the original:

"There is danger that, if the Court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact."
- U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice Robert Jackson,1949, Terminello v. City of Chicago

Happy Times 03-29-06 06:50 AM

Atleast the article got some attention here. :lol: The article is at some points quite extreme. But in general i agree his points about what is wrong with Europe. Times are coming when understanding and hugging the entire world arent going to cut it. This weekend i became a godfather to my good friends first child. From his apartments window i saw two couples with children passing by, they were foreign and they were muslim. The men walked in front the women, the women were wearing those burghas that have only small holes in front of the eyes, there were atlest six children with them. I really feel that my way of life is threatened, but they are the ones getting every concession. As an ordinary citizen my belief in the goverment to handle this multiculti fairly is very low. I dont even understand what obligation a country ( Finland) that has no colonial past and that was dirt poor only 40 years ago, has to cater a life here for people that openly despise us and our culture. All answers ive heard for multiculturalism, are starting to sound naive and irritating.

Sixpack 03-29-06 06:55 AM

:up: Happy Times,

Good to note not all Scandinavians are treehuggers, ready to roll or bend over in the name of abstract human rights.

Pole 03-29-06 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times
I really feel that my way of life is threatened, but they are the ones getting every concession. As an ordinary citizen my belief in the goverment to handle this multiculti fairly is very low.

Same here, Happy Times :up:

Pole

Oberon 03-29-06 07:05 AM

My belief in the government is very, very, very low...
but my belief that someone will actually do something about it, is even lower.... :down:

Happy Times 03-29-06 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixpack
:up: Happy Times,

Good to note not all Scandinavians are treehuggers, ready to roll or bend over in the name of abstract human rights.

I can say that in Finland a silent MAJORITY is against this policy of unilateral appeasement. It just that it takes alot to get us loud about it. One reason is that there isnt too many imigrant here, if we had communities the size of Holland, Sweden, Denmark and problems in the same scale, Finland would be near a civil strife. Finns are quite conservative, we have ALLWAYS through entire history of our parlament, had a right wing majority. The socialists have only ruled by the principle of divide and conquer.

scandium 03-29-06 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times
Atleast the article got some attention here. :lol: The article is at some points quite extreme. But in general i agree his points about what is wrong with Europe. Times are coming when understanding and hugging the entire world arent going to cut it. This weekend i became a godfather to my good friends first child. From his apartments window i saw two couples with children passing by, they were foreign and they were muslim. The men walked in front the women, the women were wearing those burghas that have only small holes in front of the eyes, there were atlest six children with them. I really feel that my way of life is threatened, but they are the ones getting every concession. As an ordinary citizen my belief in the goverment to handle this multiculti fairly is very low. I dont even understand what obligation a country ( Finland) that has no colonial past and that was dirt poor only 40 years ago, has to cater a life here for people that openly despise us and our culture. All answers ive heard for multiculturalism, are starting to sound naive and irritating.

I noticed the author citing in his second paragraph:

Sustaining the population of a nation requires that on average each couple gives birth to 2.1 children. The average European couple now has fewer than 1.4 babies...

I'm willing to accept his statistics here as you need at least an average of 2 children per family just to replace the parents and its well known that for generations the birthrate has been declining in the West, so his figure of 1.4 also looks about right.

Faced with a declining population of our own what would be your solution? Tougher immigration to keep foriegners out which ensures, based on the current birthrate, a shrinking population and with it a shrinking taxbase. The net outcome being we will simply depopultate ourselves into non-existance. Or are you in favour of selective immigration from another culture with which to replace our own dwindling numbers with? If so which of these culture(s) is acceptable to you? Another approach that might work would be the criminalization of birth control/abortion to increase the birthrate of European "stock", though as that would alienate a very large percentage of voters it would not be an easy thing to enact. Is that a solution you think acceptable?

I'm curious as to how you think Europe should handle the multicultural issue while still sustaining its current population.

STEED 03-29-06 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon
My belief in the government is very, very, very low...
but my belief that someone will actually do something about it, is even lower.... :down:

Sadly I agree.

Sixpack 03-29-06 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by Sixpack
:up: Happy Times,

Good to note not all Scandinavians are treehuggers, ready to roll or bend over in the name of abstract human rights.

I can say that in Finland a silent MAJORITY is against this policy of unilateral appeasement. It just that it takes alot to get us loud about it. One reason is that there isnt too many imigrant here, if we had communities the size of Holland, Sweden, Denmark and problems in the same scale, Finland would be near a civil strife. Finns are quite conservative, we have ALLWAYS through entire history of our parlament, had a right wing majority. The socialists have only ruled by the principle of divide and conquer.

You make me want to move me and all my family to Finland ! Good stuff ! :up:

Sixpack 03-29-06 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by scandium
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
Atleast the article got some attention here. :lol: The article is at some points quite extreme. But in general i agree his points about what is wrong with Europe. Times are coming when understanding and hugging the entire world arent going to cut it. This weekend i became a godfather to my good friends first child. From his apartments window i saw two couples with children passing by, they were foreign and they were muslim. The men walked in front the women, the women were wearing those burghas that have only small holes in front of the eyes, there were atlest six children with them. I really feel that my way of life is threatened, but they are the ones getting every concession. As an ordinary citizen my belief in the goverment to handle this multiculti fairly is very low. I dont even understand what obligation a country ( Finland) that has no colonial past and that was dirt poor only 40 years ago, has to cater a life here for people that openly despise us and our culture. All answers ive heard for multiculturalism, are starting to sound naive and irritating.

I noticed the author citing in his second paragraph:

Sustaining the population of a nation requires that on average each couple gives birth to 2.1 children. The average European couple now has fewer than 1.4 babies...

I'm willing to accept his statistics here as you need at least an average of 2 children per family just to replace the parents and its well known that for generations the birthrate has been declining in the West, so his figure of 1.4 also looks about right.

Faced with a declining population of our own what would be your solution? Tougher immigration to keep foriegners out which ensures, based on the current birthrate, a shrinking population and with it a shrinking taxbase. The net outcome being we will simply depopultate ourselves into non-existance. Or are you in favour of selective immigration from another culture with which to replace our own dwindling numbers with? If so which of these culture(s) is acceptable to you? Another approach that might work would be the criminalization of birth control/abortion to increase the birthrate of European "stock", though as that would alienate a very large percentage of voters it would not be an easy thing to enact. Is that a solution you think acceptable?

I'm curious as to how you think Europe should handle the multicultural issue while still sustaining its current population.

Import more South Americans (pref. Brasil and Argentina) :-j

Still good Catholics and thus breeding like rabbits.

scandium 03-29-06 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixpack

Import more South Americans (pref. Brasil and Argentina) :-j

Still good Catholics and thus breeding like rabbits.

That's one possible solution.

edit: the selective immigration solution.

The Avon Lady 03-29-06 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by scandium
I'm curious as to how you think Europe should handle the multicultural issue while still sustaining its current population.

Start here.

Happy Times 03-29-06 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixpack
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Originally Posted by Happy Times
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Originally Posted by Sixpack
:up: Happy Times,

Good to note not all Scandinavians are treehuggers, ready to roll or bend over in the name of abstract human rights.

I can say that in Finland a silent MAJORITY is against this policy of unilateral appeasement. It just that it takes alot to get us loud about it. One reason is that there isnt too many imigrant here, if we had communities the size of Holland, Sweden, Denmark and problems in the same scale, Finland would be near a civil strife. Finns are quite conservative, we have ALLWAYS through entire history of our parlament, had a right wing majority. The socialists have only ruled by the principle of divide and conquer.

You make me want to move me and all my family to Finland ! Good stuff ! :up:

I would welcome you and your family in an instant. :up: http://virtual.finland.fi/

Sixpack 03-29-06 07:36 AM

HEN
 
:yep:

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Only one group, only one belief-system, distinguishes itself by appearing incapable of fitting in. And that is Muslims, and Islam. For their belief-system does not envision a Holland, an Italy, an England, a France. Islam does not distinguish between the various components of one single unit, the Dar al-Harb, the regions of the world were Islam does not yet reign and Muslims do not yet dominate.

What further decline do we actually wait for in Europe to finally deal with this problem ?

When it's too late ?

The ironic part is that the treehugging bend-over believers in absolute Human Rights and thus apologists for Islam are digging their very own graves as their extreme liberalism will have no place in New Islamized Europe. Silly cretins.

:hulk: [/i]

Happy Times 03-29-06 07:37 AM

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scandium wrote:
I'm curious as to how you think Europe should handle the multicultural issue while still sustaining its current population
We have the right to choose who we take, first of people are given points by the skills they have, then by the cultural combatability. Someone allready said South America, i agree. I also feel that East Asians are generally easily assimilated and contribute alot to society.


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