bradclark1, you’re lucky you don't have to put up with Blair and his henchmen and lackeys, like Kapitain and I we pay so much tax I lost count. Tax on this and that and back door tax, stealth tax, secret tax that has yet to come to light. It's a nightmare and what makes it worst all that tax is being wasted on Blair’s dumb plans. :nope: :nope:

Just got my bank statement.

£9.51 savings account 16/02/06
£4.94 Tax 8/3/06

They even taxed me on my savings i had less than £10 in there and they wonder why i dont put squat in.

Sounds to me Kapitain that are Mr Blair has raided your account to pay off his mortgage. Hands off Blair how dare you, better check mind just in case. :yep:

Heh, Blair's taken enough money off me and my family to fund an invasion of Iran by ex-SAS mercenaries!

sky the koran is a progressive and moderate book as with the bible you will always find a ****ing idiot who reads it and comes out with a extreme answer

open your mind


even christian's come out with ****e sometimes like the vicar who said that god sent the asian tusnami to wipe out the sin in that area

We want our money back Blair. :yep:

For once, I'm actually in agreement with micky1up....

I'm going to go take a lie down... :o

Just saw this one as it's an American article that is an old tax that will be revamped called the window tax.

Here’s the Article -

thx oberon see im not right or wrong i have an opinion but there like *******s evryone has one

I have commented often enough on the Qu'Ran, on it's history and the reasons that influenced it's present shape. I see no reason why I should change my opinion on it. If you people think that the Qu'ran is a modern, progressive book and will lead you to a better society, then you do not deserve it any better. But your ancestors who suffered for such a state of life being overcome, will turn in their graves.

Once again I say: there is no difference between fundamental and "real" Islam (I have explained where the misleading perception of the West, that this separation does exist, has come from, around one hundred years ago during the local rebellion against the Imperial powers in North-West-Africa). There is only one Islam - and that is the fighting Islam. there never has been a non_fighting Islam, nor is such an Islam descriobed in the Qu'ran or Hadith. It is a militant, intolerant ideology, driven by it's sense to be superior and having the mission to kill or convert5 anything non-Islamic, designed to justify conquest, and excusing intolerance by terms of a self-made, highly narcist cult that repalces culture and religion. It'S social ideal is a totalitarian society in which the single individual is nothing, the state/religion/community is all. Coexistence is unacceptable. attack is needed to delete coexistence, and to gain new ressources (remember, Muhammad was a predatory beduin in the first, who nevertheless wanted not to be called a bandit: thus his maneuvering into the religious feild where his demands could no longer be touched withoiut beeing called a heresy) If you do not realize this, if you think you must put it into more tolerant relations and approach it with reason and logic (Western style), then you are doomed to fall.

Our ancestors considered it to be modern to develope (under immense pains) beyond the unity of state and religion, that's why we have secular states in which both is kept separate. Qu'Ran preaches exactly the opposite, and not only that, no it preaches a religion of superstitious immitation only: immitation of virtual Muhammad that in that kind and form as he is described by Islam never has existed. How can educated Europeans consider an ideology to be progressive - if it leads them back to their violant past? In school you have learned why you should consider it as progressive, that these cruel, dark times of non-separation between religion and politics had been overcome.

Muslim societies have seen standstill in philosophy, sciences, theology, state theory, since centuries, social system and education since over thousand years. they are helpless agisnt there own tyrantsa, because these tyrants necessarily must be raised and supported by the system of politics and religion in one hand. The Western raise of all these virtues and developements, plus the canon of the typical Western values, Islam cannot compensate by any developement like that in it's own sphere. It works by only one simple mechanism: demanding what it wants, and when it does not get it, using force to take it, or saying it want's it because that is it's religion and Allah is demanding it like that. Intimidation and discrimination are part of the agenda. Critical questions get answered explicitly: with a sharp knife. when there are no questions anymore, then there is peace made in Islam. Cannot get more primitive like that. You better should be more careful what lecture you would call "progressive", guys.

again, there are several essay I have written on all this. Details there.

yawn a closed statment from a closed mind

oh yes and the last time a man used a minority view to expess his opinion about a race of people and cast them all as bad he was in germany aswell funny thing that!

Give me a break. :roll:

Blair: how to make a complete idiot of oneself
 

Please mind your words. Let's try to keep it decent here.

I take this as a veiled reference to Herr A. Hitler. Don't compare Skybird's or anybody's view on this forum with Hitler without the strongest evidence. To make this suggestion against a German from the post-war generation is really a blow below the belt.

Abraham
(with moderator cap on)

Well said Abraham.

You mean like this guy and his organisation:

Thanks Abraham. Good moderating. Not too much, not too little. Your action got noted ;)

And Rabbi Ovadia Yosef blames President Bush and US citizens for the death and carnage attributed to Hurricane Katrina. What a great guy NOT! :nope:

Pat Robertson, I believe it was (though I might be wrong as I have trouble keeping the evangelical fundies straight), did something similar too: blamed Katrina on the victims who he said brought it on themselves because there was so much sin in New Orleans.

Yeah, I remember that. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef also said some 'charming' things about Sharon which I'm sure Sharon's family rightly were disgusted with.

Also well before that wack-job naive President of Iran called for the wiping off the map and destruction of Israel recently, the spiritual leader of the Shas Party in Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, had in 2001 called for the annihilation of Arabs in one of his sermons. A fundie is a fundie no matter the religion.