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Torplexed 02-01-06 07:55 AM

Cartoonists are evil. They should be shot on sight. :yep:

joea 02-01-06 08:12 AM

BANG

The Avon Lady 02-01-06 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McBeck
5) A french newspaper has printed the cartoons too....without prior accept from Jyllandsposten (The danish newspaper that original printed them)

Whats next?!?!?! :stare: :down:

German, Spanish and Italian papers, too!

And we're all being asked to buy Danish butter cookies. OK, I can live with that. :yep:

August 02-01-06 12:31 PM

I say good for the Euros.

The Avon Lady 02-01-06 03:43 PM

Another for the collection:

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/1673/03wp.jpg

CCIP 02-01-06 07:32 PM

I drew a picture of Mohammed in one of my classes today.

No, I didn't show anyone :shifty:

August 02-01-06 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP
I drew a picture of Mohammed in one of my classes today.

No, I didn't show anyone :shifty:

Allah knows. You're doomed infidel.

retired1212 02-02-06 01:39 AM

nm

Onkel Neal 02-02-06 05:47 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11097877/
Editor fired after publication of Islam cartoons

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Co...6a.hmedium.jpg

But hey, it's ok if a bunch of black cloaked freaks rip your national flag :roll:

Marhkimov 02-02-06 05:59 AM

Ironic, isn't it?

They feel that it's NOT ok for the Danes to publish obscene cartoons... But it is totally ok for some pussy-assed-hoodlums dressed in black masks to deface/burn another country's national flag...


Oh, what morals they do have (or have not)...

The Avon Lady 02-02-06 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marhkimov
Ironic, isn't it?

They feel that it's NOT ok for the Danes to publish obscene cartoons... But it is totally ok for some pussy-assed-hoodlums dressed in black masks to deface/burn another country's national flag...


Oh, what morals they do have (or have not)...

None.

Ironic indeed! :roll:

Torplexed 02-02-06 07:56 AM

Quite the subtle cartoons there Avon.

I don't recall his much Muslim outrage when the rather Islamic Taliban decided to deface the ancient symbol of another religion....the Bamiyan Buddhas in Afghanistan...by shelling and explosives. Do as we say...not as we do. :roll:

http://media.msnbc.msn.com/j/msnbc/1...1950.widec.jpg

STEED 02-02-06 10:57 AM

Re: Of cartoons, censorship, and hysteria
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4664408.stm

All this for a - cartoon...??? I said worse things about GWB - and I'm still alive, and unthreatend.

I wish there were pills against hysteria and unbalanced mindsets. Islam itself is lying about the image and understanding it has on the figure of Muhammad, Islam is not in correspondence with the historical biography of Muhammad, ignoring anything in his life and personality that could irritate Islam's intentions and self-definitions. So, their rage and critizism about that cartoon is - lying, and hypocritical, and a self-deception. Sometimes these types really kill my nerves.


Just a lot of hot heads

The Avon Lady 02-02-06 12:21 PM

Re: Of cartoons, censorship, and hysteria
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4664408.stm

All this for a - cartoon...??? I said worse things about GWB - and I'm still alive, and unthreatend.

I wish there were pills against hysteria and unbalanced mindsets. Islam itself is lying about the image and understanding it has on the figure of Muhammad, Islam is not in correspondence with the historical biography of Muhammad, ignoring anything in his life and personality that could irritate Islam's intentions and self-definitions. So, their rage and critizism about that cartoon is - lying, and hypocritical, and a self-deception. Sometimes these types really kill my nerves.

Just a lot of hot heads

Yeh.

Pushovers. :shifty: (Read here for info about this UK group)

Neptunus Rex 02-02-06 12:29 PM

My concern is the source of the "rage" over these cartoons. Are they actually personnaly affronted or is their reaction a requirement of their faith?

The former I can understand, but the latter one is the one that scares me. I kind of get the same feeling when I'm in a room with a known sociopath!

Skybird 02-02-06 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neptunus Rex
My concern is the source of the "rage" over these cartoons. Are they actually personnaly affronted or is their reaction a requirement of their faith?

The former I can understand, but the latter one is the one that scares me. I kind of get the same feeling when I'm in a room with a known sociopath!

Originally, pictures of "holy people", holy things and gods were forbidden in various religions, to prevent the risk of people falling victim to false idols. Just think of the golden Cow in the bible, or Zen's "anti-tradition" of non-written tradition, Huineng's enligthened burning of books, and the Jews saying the name of God cannot be pronounced. But this current story reveals Islam's demand that sooner or later all mankind and all world have to live to it's rules, for Islam is the truth, and Muslims have the obligation to help Islam "improving" the world. we all here agree that it is totally nuts how Muslims worldwide behave about this. It is ridiculous and tells us that they expect us and demand us to live by their principlesl rules, ignore our own laws and traditiond and that we shall not have any right to refuse Islam. From their perspective it cannot be understood that we do not want to be like them. I say: how could one want to be like them? :lol: Seen that way, I think the uproar has benefits for the West, and I hope it fuses even some more hysteria amongst Muslims - because maybe some people in the West can no longer evade to realize what an egocentric monster they were nursing in their attempts to tame Islam. You cannot tame Islam. It will always try to overcome you. It is part of it's DNA, it's most essential elements of identity. due to it's non-authentic origin it has no basis it can refwer to as the basis of it's foundation, that way, it has no "strong stand" - and because of it's own lacking authenticity it necessarily must feel threatend by ANYTHING; no matter how minor it is, that is not itself, and is different to itself. That'S why Islam has no other option than to subjugate non-islamic things, people, places, so that they cannot doubt Islam anymore and therebay remind it ow it's own many contradictions, weaknesses, and distortions. May I remind you that it started with Muhammad studying Christian and Jewish teachings by himself, and when having done so he thought that now he was on equal terms and same status than their theologists. when he met the Jewsih theologist at medina, they ate him up alive in theological disputes. This led a.) top the masscre of the third Jewish tribe at Medina, when he ordered all males to be slaughtered and all females beeing sent into slavery or harems: an act of revenge by a deeply offended personality, and b.) it led to Muhammads attemnpt to artificially create a thelogy that he constructed by himself and wanted it to be accepted as of not only equal, but superior quality than those theologies that taught him so obviously how little he had to offer to com pare himself to them. From a theologivcal view, I regard muhammad as a narcist imposter. That this creation of a new deity also helped him to secure privileges for himself and moving beyond critizism, I have explained often enough in the past.

In a way it is a most fundamental inferiority complex that islam tries to hide from it's own perception by overcompensating. Islam would no longer ber Islam if it stops to take over non-Islamic world and people. It's part of it's identity, and part of it's most vital mechanism of repression (Verdrängungsmechanismus).

In a thousand years from now on, they will still react in the same hysterical and primitve way they do today if then a new cartoon would be published on a news monitor. It's the conservation of a mediavl attitude of mind, and a medieval state of knowledge.

You cannot tame Islam.

It took me more than fifteen years, and learning much background information and many travellings to finally learn this. It's the most vital and essential thing we in the West need to understand about Islam: you cannot tame Islam.

Skybird 02-02-06 01:17 PM

The remark on the "sociopath" holds some truth. A society that regularly produces suicide bombers, that propagates martyrism, where parents are proud if there sons commit massmurder and get killed during that, a society that opresses women, that sticxks to a lawsuit that still propagates penalties that are of medieval barbarism- ask yourself: can these social structures be considered to be healthy? Islam's sociology is deeply ill and sick to the bones, in a psychopathological understanding. Labelling it as sociopathic holds some truth. In the end it is basing on the very queer and unbalanced relationship between the sexes. If women are considered to be of less value than a dog, then one can say that Islam only knows one sex for mankind.

Marhkimov 02-02-06 01:22 PM

I'd like to see if anyone here is brave enough to defend the general behavior of Islam....

Anyone? :hmm:

retired1212 02-02-06 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marhkimov
I'd like to see if anyone here is brave enough to defend the general behavior of Islam....

Anyone? :hmm:


Unable to find the Mooses and Jesus cartoons made by Muslims showing them as terrorist and paedophile.
Though I am not Catholic but honestly saying, I didn't like the way the portrayal of late pope in the cartoons. He was a good man overall (at least I think so).

MadMike 02-02-06 01:45 PM

"Everyone believes in something, I believe I'll have another beer" :up:

Does anyone know how to translate that into Arabic, and into arabic characters?

Yours, Mike

Note- I don't drink anymore, despite my massive contributions to the German economy...


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