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Originally Posted by Mustang

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Remember that his ship was falling apart and his crew was dieing? So if he cared about his crew he would have let them die? He did follow protocol:

Regulation 3 (Paragraph 12): In the event of imminent destruction, a Starfleet Captain is authorized to preserve the lives of his crew by any justifiable means.

I don't think Genocide is justifiable by any means. One crew compared to an entire Federation, well that seems more justifiable then a single crew. Kirk risked his crew to stop that thing and was given no choice. Ransom had a choice he did not need to use the creatures he could have travelled home by the less morally atrocious means that voyager did, note I said Less.

First off it was not Genocide! Capt. Ransom didn't intend to exterminate the species; he would have stopped when he reached the Federation. He didn't plan on killing the life forms he was trying to access the power generated from where they lived. He accidentally killed one and they started attacking his ship. He committed one act of Involuntary Manslaughter the rest was self defense- using the bodies of the dead life forms for fuel isn't really a crime and using that device to trap more is just strategic warfare.

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Ummm... A taste of Armageddon, where the two aliens fought wars by shooting computer simulations at each other and then vaporizing their people to avoid collateral damage? He didn't destroy the computers to save his crew, he and his crew had broken free he could have beamed to the enterprise but he chose to destroy the computer to stop the senseless killing. By using those computers there was no communication only simulated war and suicide. His actions bent the prime directive but as you said he could have invoked Reg. 3. But he didn't have to destroy it; he felt it was his moral obligation.

No the Enterprise was ruled killed by a mine or something by the computer, that is why he destroyed the computer.

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I see no relation to those events and how Ransom was purposely murdering creatures for a jump to speed for his trip home. He used those creatures like they were whiskey to batten a mix. He didn't do it because he had no choice, their ship was far better armed then voyager and had More power it could have gotten home by its own steam. The aliens he used were not a threat to anyone Ransom made Humanoids a threat to them.

No a Nova-class ship is a short range vessel designed for surveys. It was lightly armed and had a much lower crew complement. Take a look at each ship's stats:
Intrepid Class:
Length: 344.5 Meters
Crew: 150
Velocity:
Cruising: Warp 6
Maximum: Warp 9.975
Duration
Standard Mission: 6 Years
Recommended Yard Overhaul: 24 years
Weapons:
11 Type X Phasers
4 Photon Torpedo Tubes
Embarked Craft:
4(0) Shuttlecraft :lol:

Nova Class:
Length 165 meters
Crew: 80
Velocity
Cruising: Warp 6
Maximum: Warp 8
Duration:
Standard Mission: 2 years
Recommended Yard Overhaul: 6 years
Weapons:
11 Type X Phasers
2 Photon Torpedo Tubes
Embarked Craft:
2 Shuttlecraft etc

And as I said before he made a mistake by killing one of them the rest was self defense.

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

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Originally Posted by Mustang

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No the Enterprise was ruled killed by a mine or something by the computer, that is why he destroyed the computer.

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The creatures were reported to be few in number by the natives that introduced them to the Equinox's crew. He was well awhere it was exterminating the species. The only time he gave it a second thought is when they started attacking his crew in defense. The voyager and Equinox fought over this, it was immorale perhaps strategic but immoral. If you took an oath, pledged your life to the service of something and your crew took that same oath they are obligated to uphold that oath. It is unethical to attempt to justify murder for self-preservation is admirable.

You should rewatch the episode, the enterprise broke free of the computer and kirk broke free of his holding cell. Though a violation of the prime directive, his actions didn't murder helpless people. They stopped it from happening in the form of mass suicide.

If I remember the Equinox was a threat in Voyager, the two ships battled and Voyager was at a disadvantage.

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Originally Posted by Mustang

If you look at Ransom's face when that first life form is killed he shows remorse. The population of the life forms is never disscussed. Also he sacrifices him self and his ship when he loses the ability to return home and knows Voyager is the best places for the remainder of his crew. A Captain has a duty to his crew that transcends any oath he took.

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You should rewatch the episode, the enterprise broke free of the computer and kirk broke free of his holding cell. Though a violation of the prime directive, his actions didn't murder helpless people. They stopped it from happening in the form of mass suicide.

I haven't seem that episode in a while maybe the Enterprise did escape. If the ship didn't escape he would be breaking the Prime Directive to save it.

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If I remember the Equinox was a threat in Voyager, the two ships battled and Voyager was at a disadvantage.

That was because Ransom found a way to penetrate their shields, otherwise the Equinox didn't stand a chance. Ransom also had their force field emitter so Voyager was vulnerable to the life forms and Equinox was not.

LMAO...Dat was funny...