OK First I think the poll questions were badly written.

Second I have read a lot on this incident and I don't think KAL 007 was on a covert spying mission for the US.

From all the evidence I have read the INS system was not set correctly and thus the autopilot was off course. The pilots were unaware of this and thought the aircraft was on the correct course.

Also MiG 23s were sent up but couldn't find it.

The Su-15 did fire warning shots but were unanswered. Also the tail light that illuminates the tail and the insignia was not working.

Also there were RC-135 recon flights in the area, big 4 engine planes too based on the 707....at night with few lights you could get mixed up.

So the Russians probably believed it was a spy flight and shot it down after it did not respond. Also it is clearly marked on all flight maps that that area is restricted airspace and violators will be shot down.

That website about rescue the survivors of 007 is bull****. Nothing but conspiracy crap. I went to that website not long after it had been around and they had an forum to post comments and questions. I registered and posted that I disagreed with them and presented the evidence that they refute. I also asked them to provide their sources and basically poo pooed their theory. And I did it in a constructive way.

Well I went back a couple of weeks later to find that the forum had gone and that feedback and requests for info was to be directed to their e-mail address.

Please substantiate this.

Mind doing it again? :hmm:

"The closest witness to the incident, the Soviet pilot who fired the missile, later confirmed that international standards for interception had not been followed, and that he had been instructed by military authorities to claim on television that he had fired warning shots when in fact, he had not."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_KAL-007

Hmmm, a I suppose with that quote you are trying to say I wasn't constructive.

Well being at work I don't have time but I made my point to the people at that website.

It's just seeing that stuff being brought up really gets my goat.

They're escaping! Someone stop them! :o

http://www.kash.net/alaska/pagesimag...h/parade5.jpeg

Very funny...

But seriously I think the survivors of KAL007 is another case of conspiracy theorists picking up on threads and letting themselves be deceived.

I would like to know if they saw the original Russian releases and who did the translation work.

My ultimate opinion is that the shoot down was a mistake that shouldn't of happened. There was no spying mission and there were no survivors.

no plane no survivors no problem <<<< way the russians though of it anyway

:) You sure the soviet pilot wasn't trigger happy?????

I saw a documentary on this years ago. It seems to be a series of mistakes for the airliner. According to the documentary, the SU15 pilot tried to make eye contact with the airliner pilots but didn't, because they all had their heads down, frantically working with the equipment in the cockpit. The fighter pilot radioed this to his Soviet ground controller’s officer, whom interpreted this as working with the planes supposed spy gear. The fighter pilot was ordered to fire warning shots. At the same time the SU15 fire warning shots, the pilots of the airliner realized there was an equipment malfunction and they had lost altitude. So at the same time the warning shots were fired, the airliner suddenly gained altitude. As a result, the airliner pilots didn't see the warning shots since they were below the pilot’s line of sight, and the Soviet ground controllers took this act as evasive action.

The pilot was ordered to shoot down the airliner his ground control intercept officer. The pilot was in the documentary, and he said he didn't want to shoot the airliner down and wanted to try to make eye contact with the pilots again, and told his GCI officer this. He was again ordered to shoot the airliner down, and when he expressed his reluctance to do so, he was told to think about his family, and to do his duty. He took this as a threat, follow orders, or you family will suffer. He followed his orders and shot the airliner down.

The documentary goes on to say that the airliner would re-entered International airspace in a few minutes, and that was the reason the GCI officer wanted the plane shot down immediately. The fighter pilot said after the plane was hit, it started a downward spiral that lasted 3 or 4 minutes before impact with the ocean. That's a long time to know you are going to die, provided you weren't rendered unconscious by the g-forces. In the end, I think the Soviets did it because they could. Legally, they were within their rights to shoot the airliner down. The families of the victims ranted and protested, and but there wasn't anything they could do to the Soviets. Just another causality of the Cold War.

think it was the same documentary i saw and plus that is exactly what i wanted to say

I cant see anything that couldnt be true in that website. I have no illusions about USSR. The country was sick, bizarre, and generally hard to understand with logic. The CIA never saw the collapse for exsample because how hard Russia is to analyze, even to this day :-?

i have read documents and read that the russians went to the crash site right after the crash an recover NO bodies or saw any

But on the other hand it is one hell of a theory.

The regime in the USSR might have been extremely secretive and beligerant but even if the passengers had survived I don't think it would have been in the USSR's interests to hold onto them for so long. Also why didn't anyone make a fuss after it happened? Why now have these theories just come to light in recent years?

In terms of Cold War politics it would have been a great chance for US govt to have a go at the USSR.

Also considering that the North Koreans have been holding onto Japanese kidnapped and that got discovered and confirmed, I would have thought the same would have happened with these passangers as the USSR at that time was no where near as closed as NK is now.

What Terrax said is pretty much what I posted those years ago to their forum.

Oh and it was the regime that was sick not the country.

well said xabbarus

Re: Korean air 007 should it have been shot down?
 

Surprise, Surprise, 'Radio Russia' believes it was a spy plane....The Russians were never at fault in history according to 'Radio Russia'. Get over it, the Commies lost, ain't coming back. But I will give the Commies one thing, the 'War on Communism' was better then this 'War on Terrorism' crap. How da fuk our we meant to defeat terrorism? Its been with us for hundreds of years.

Excuse me I am not Russian. Just studied the country for a long time aswell as living there, speaking the language and marrying a nice Russian girl.

I don't pretend that Russia did nothing wrong and that they were all good and full of socialist roses.

Should they have shot down KAL007, of course not...however there were mistakes on both sides.

KAL007 was flying through restricted airspace, that is marked on aviation maps. Somehow the INS got set wrongly. Now there were Rc-135s operating in the area, so of course SOVCOM were going to be jumpy anyway.

The only bit that I thikn could possibly have happened is that the INS was deliberately set wrongly during the stop over in Alaska. Put that is only hypothesis basing it on as much evidence as the 007 survivors site.

Oh and was/is communism intrisically bad? No, just a bunch of opportunistic bastards corrupted it for their own ends. In a word, politics....

Matter over mind?

If so, yes, it's bad. :-j

russia is not all bad every country has fault

and to all those people that belive america is well god i say this take a look back in history and then see who was worse

the true meaning of communism is the equality of all not how russia and china or any other country realy portray it a communist state is just well a cover

in communisms equality no one is rich no one is poor but there is that divider in china and russia and all over the world true communism does not exist

Communism didn't last the first day of the revolution victory. Stalin executed those that wanted true communism.