I think "dead" is a little bit harsh, since virtually all our work has made it into RUb in one way or another, just more discretely. It is a shame we never got to do things like, say, work in more non-European ports and look over single traffic - but when you consider how ops and related projects have contributed to SHIII's campaign structure, progress has indeed been made.

Some people have worked on historical events already; I wish they'd put them into separate, easily-merged files that could be added on to any campaign file for easy use. That way, these could be added to RUb, HT, or any other campaign mod that uses the campaign files. Perhaps someone could come up with a nice campaign file management utility that'd allow merging things in with ease.

Anyway, the real issue with Ops is the fact that the team simply can't work more - some, like Sailor Steve, because they don't have proper access to the internet; others, like Egan, because they've simply done what they could and have really run out of enthusiasm for further work; and then me (and I hope I'm not alone) who simply doesn't have time to do it anymore.

There's always opportunities though. If I suddenly end up having some time in december, perhaps I'll try to bring in a few things for RUb 1.5, but by then we might not have enough time to test those for release.

Anyway, the important thing is that RUb's campaign has absorbed the work that's been done within the Ops mod, and there's always ways to add on to it. :)

I didn't mean that the whole thing was dead. There is a whole lot of Ops in RUb. What I meant was that it looks like further development is dead. No one on the Ops team had responded to my message on the SH3 Mod Team forums, so I assumed that the team had gone on to other things. Sorry if what I said implied that Ops was entirely 'vapourware'. That wasn't my intention. It's just that the Ops mod created a nice base for historical operations, but very few (if any) actual operations (meaning the task forces) were completed.

I think we did respond, actually (didn't I and Egan, at least?)

I'd love for it to be alive, but I'm the only one of the team right now with any ability or interest to continue working on it, but my time is short and I've really been too junior a team member to really be able to take charge of it and say "continue!"

But hey, if anyone wants to help - I can tell you what still could be done in improving the campaign. :)

No one responded for nearly two weeks, so I stopped listening in for replies and just decided to do a bit more work on it. I just went back over there (after reading your post here) and found your responses. Sorry I missed them. I too have been finding it difficult to devote time to the game, so I tend to stop listening in on the forums as much. I certainly didn't mean any disrespect to the team.

these mods are awesome. Can't wait for the next gens.

kb

I've done a fairly accurate Evacuation Of Dunquerke, and have worked on and off on D-Day, but Marhkimov is right-for Normandy to be accurate you would see hundreds of landing ships and support vessels, but you would also have to slip through more than 80 destroyers to get there, and out again. Between June 6 and June 15 six U-boats were sunk in the region. No U-boats reported sinking any D-Day ships. Realistically, what's the point?

Functions as a barrier across the english channel, because it's unrealistic for nothing to be happening there?

Anyways, the AI is not modelled very well in SH3. If we make ships for D-Day or whatever else, they'll probably just end up as u-boat fodder.

If you can get through the thick layers of dd's.

I'd actually model the DD's first and not bother with the transports in too much detail.

BTW Sailor Steve if you have some operations modelled, it would be quite cool if you could release them!

I would very much like to, but monetary considerations forced me off line. To post I currently have to go to the local library.I can't even download the latest SHIII Commander at present. :cry: I should be back online soon, or at least have a USB card that will let me transport data to the library for uploading.

On the other hand, my minefields did make it into the Ops Mod, and therefore RUB, but there has been some comment that they could have been done a lot better; so perhaps I'm not the best candidate to be doing things like this.

Well, we all try our best so I wouldn't worry about it.

Hope you get back online soon.

Who made such comments? I'll ritually slaughter them and I'll have their balls for beads!

I think people shouldn't feel the pressure to have every operation modeled perfectly. It makes tasks so daunting that they never get finished.

A good start is simply 3 escort carrier ASW groups near Ushant, an English Channel swarming with escorts, and extremely heavy traffic moving between the south coast of england and the bay of seine. I don't think we really need thousands of ships.

I made it to for the first time with a career to 6/44 and just had to model D-Day for the fun of it. After all it was, operationally, an important event ... even if a complete disaster for the U-boat force. I'm still playing it .. and having a lot of fun ... although I shall likely be dead soon.

My model is not complete. But so what? I'll play it till the end, touch it up a little (I'd like to add the breakout of the German destroyers from Brest), and perhaps release it in case anyone wants to go further with it. I'd encourange anyone else to do the same.

Is it compatible with RUb/IUb? The problem we're running into at the moment is that the major mods all have very complex campaign layer files, and it's virtually impossible to incorporate new mods if they take the standard game's campaign layer as their base.

I'll second what Beery says!

We could have a very full and historical campaign file if everyone submitted their work and documented exactly what they did. Of course, the work would then be integrated into Rubini's HT mod (I speak for IuB anyway, this is the SCR layer thats used)