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what about onew of these Type 035G ming class of the chinease navy ? failing that how about a han or song class?

Ming, Han, Song they are all junk. The Kilo Improved is the best the PLAN has got.

its not what you got its how you use it

ive got some real crappy guns at home here and i got some real good ones turns out my chinease made AG809 rifle fires better than my logun dominator and its also more reliable (its yet to misfire)

my logun dominator is the most powerfulest out of the two and cost me over £500 yet my AG809 cost only £130

its how you use the thing not what it can do cause most of the time you wont use all the bells and whistles hence why theres a fued on about DDX

Anyway, we will wait for any addons from sonalysts very long. (or never)

The Han is a tactically useless submarine. There's a reason the Chinese have done only extremely limited blue water work with them, it's because they can be tracked on IUSS probably for the entirety of their patrol. So, it wouldn't matter how you use it. It's first gen Russian nuc noisy, which is to say extremely noisy.

A decent Chinese platform would be the Yuan, or perhaps Song, although the 636 Kilos outclass the latter. The Yuan is probably 636 equivalent or better, and may have AIP. But seeing as it would be 100% speculation as to what equipment it's packing or how capable it actually is, why bother? We already have the 636 Kilo.

As for air platforms, a Bear would be outstanding.

Surface? Of course, Canadian Patrol Frigate, although the OHP does a reasonable simulation of it. The CPF is a much better point air defence platform, though (Evolved Sea Sparrow, 220 round per minute gun, block 1B "jetty sweeper" Phalanx, Harpoon, and it's much quieter); kind of a super OHP. - edit for non-fantasy choice: I'd prefer a Tico over a Burke. If you're going to go big, why not go all the way?

I don't play subs, so I haven't got a recommedation, there ;)

yes the han is useless but is good for a costal support and defence the kilo yuan and song are the only real blue water submarine but there endurance is limited if they were nuke they could be good

today china maintains only 4 of its once 6 hans and it is true they are very very noisey infact there noiser than a november SSN and that states something but the han is first generation SSN for china the new TYPE 093 is supposed to be based around the victor III and has improved quietning measures.

china does not have the tech to build super silent subs yet thats why they rely on the imports untill they can buff up thier own type

ive trailed a xia in DW and she is very noisey in fact i could keep track of her 15 miles away i am a sub driver always have been but the han in costal waters could knock out a sufficent force to buy time for thier country as for blue water no chance

I originally included the Oscar II SSGN, because I think thought it would be "cool", but then I realized that the Oscars don't have much in the way of mission diversity and their "dogfighting" capabilities are limited at best. Not much fun playing a platform that does one thing well and having your hand held while doing it.

an oscar is designed with anti ship in mind but its also designed to sink submarines and does this fully independantly

So it can do two things. :lol: They don't have anywhere near the multi-mission capabilities of a SSN.

Just imagine taking an Oscar in to an enemy harbor to conduct recon! Or doing CVBG escort! :o

can imagine CVGB escort it has done it chiefly escorts the kuznetsov around its normaly up front of the battle group.

as for intel gathering done that one too only few years ago were three of these submarines spotted one of the east coast one in the med and one near pearl harbour.

one of these submarines came withing striking distance of three US carriers and it wasnt noticed till it took off back to base

so yeah they can do some what limited multi role missions

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Agreed. That's why I'm voting Udaloy (Although a Krivak would be closer to the FFG-7).

Come on you 'jive turkeys'

:lol: - sorry, I've had a bottle of wine and 3 beers - we need Western Diesels stat! Collins, 212, Swedish boats! :know:

Well most easy to do for SCS would be Lada/Amur class 677, in game it could be a quieter Kilo with modified sensors/armament and faster reload times. Other great SSK would be Type-212 or Type-214, Collins, Scorpene (just oreder by India!). Other nukes are of course Trafalgar/Astute class, and Virginia class (could be in place of Seawolf ;-). From russian subs well Alfa and Sierra are cool but are they operational ? I don't think SCS are building cold-war sim ;-). Beside the 677 class SSK, next Russian platforms could be Oscar class and maybe Typhoon class, I know it;s a boomer butI'm sure many people would like to command one uder ice cap :-) think about two human player Akulas defending a human player (so responding to threat and coordinating tactic with Akulas) Typhoon class SSBN hunded by western subs ? :-)
For air and surface platform we need red equivalents of Perry, SH-60 and P-3, so Udaloy, Ka-27 and Il-38. Later we may think about additional western platforms.

sierra is in service still but not for much longer and ive just picked up a report offical for the disposal of all alfa submarines

a typhoon would be great theres only 3 left now and 2 will be gone by by 2008 the 3rd 2010

I voted for the Arleigh Burke cause it would be something really new here. But I´m not much into above-the-surface platforms. An Ohio SSGN would be a great addition, even better than my favorite, the NSSN.

Other ,would be nice to see some western SSK like type 214 :up:

I vote for the....... DDX! :o :|\ :up:

I voted for Virginia Class which 'should' have been in the game in the first place rather than Seawolf.

But i'd love to see Udaloy or Krivak although im not much a skimmer driver.

Canadian Patrol Frigate would be cool too, be neat to try out that rapid-fire bofors!

That's a subject for another thread... but I would LOVE for a future sim to feature the DDX, along with some other stuff we keep hearing about that's in development...

I'll stop now ;)

TG