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midway, first wave of the Akagi 42 torpedo bombers attack the us fleet not one hit the target and not one survived due to AA the us fighters were attcking the Jap dive bombers and also escorting the US torpedo and dive bombers.

Ok ok, just calm down everybody... RUb or no RUb, there ain't no big deal...

RUB rules, I played the normal version of the game for a long time and chasing radio contacts all over the map gets really boring after many patrols. Its cooler when you actually have to hunt down prey, but I know how some people want constant hollywood action and visual stimulation so whatever.

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Originally Posted by marhkimov

Ok ok, just calm down everybody... RUb or no RUb, there ain't no big deal...

yea I agree

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Originally Posted by Dr. Trespasser

I totally agree,
plus the shells from enemy ships actually hurt your hull, not bounce of it like pingpong balls.

Personally,
RUB gave SH3 a new lease of life for me

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Originally Posted by Teho

I tried it.

1.water is too dark
2.No contact icon on map
3.needs more traffic

you can use unrealboat mod that takes out of RUB some hardcore options like the map without contacts, the dark water, deck gun rate of fire, aa range, ...

the enemy traffic... i donÂ´t know yet,, because i start using RUb now.

i use rub "unrealed" with some options mixed with a pack of mods made for myself , like some map tools.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Realism is in the eye of the beholder gentlemen.

Well, I think everyone has a right to play the game the way they want to. What ever turns your crank! But to say that RUB is realistic is NOT true! RUB is berrys opinion of how the game should be played. Anything outside of HIS way of thinking is wrong. :stare:

Who is he? The dev team? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :down:

Berry has a right to play the game how he wants to but so dose everyone els!

http://img242.echo.cx/img242/9361/mesub6qj.jpg

I am going to repeat a post I made before, which is something I would prefer not to do, so I apologise for repeating myself.

Firstly, my repeated post appears to be a genuine thread-killer, which is why we need it now. I seriously doubt that anybody here is equipped to argue with it successfully.

Secondly, it applies precisely to the comment make by Kpt. Lehmann.

"Realism is in the eye of the beholder gentlemen."

Another forum user named Pablo said exactly the same thing, so if I refer to Pablo, that's where it comes from.

Anyway, here goes:

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Originally Posted by Twelvefield

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Originally Posted by Pablo

By the way, "realism" in the eye of the beholder and is based on personal opinion - don't let anyone tell you otherwise. :)

Pablo

And I quote...

REALISM 1. As opposed to NOMINALISM, the metaphysical doctrine that universals, or abstract concepts, have a real existence as entities... this would be associated with the claim that concepts such as society, culture, group, value, etc., refer to real entities that may be empirically investigated.

2. As opposed to epistemological IDEALISM, the doctrine that the external world exists in reality independantly of perception and the mind, and is reflected with reasonable accuracy in sensory experiences.

Pablo, your concept of reality is firmly based on Idealism. Basically, the universe exists. What we percieve as "real" comes to our consciousness through the human senses. "Realism is in the eye of the beholder".

More convolutedly:, and I quote again:

IDEALISM... [covers] a wide range of metaphysical and epistemological doctrines that view mind or spirit as the ultimate reality or the basis of experience and knowledge. Kantian Idealism holds that what we percieve of the external world and believe to be real or true reflects the internal organization of the mind an thought processes. Hegelian Idealism... seeks to eliminate the duality of mind and object by regarding an object as an expression of an essential idea... the perception of the object is unimportant; significance lies in the suggestion to the perciever of an essential idea.

So, Pablo, I believe you would be closer to Hegel than Kant in your Idealism,as you feel that percieved reality is "based on personal opinion". There may be Kantian SHIII kaleuns who are lurking in the forum right now, waiting to pounce on your version of reality, but I beat them all to it.

Still, let's be even-handed. I quote-again:

NOMINALISM [is] a philosophical doctrine holding that general or abstract concepts or terms are merely names, referring to particulars. Reality is regarded as composed of particular things, and universal ideas or abstract conceptions, such as "goodness" or "The State", have no independant or distinct identity. The Nominalist position... is that of extreme Empiricism, which in the study of human behaviour, would involve an emphasis upon the study of sensory data using operational concepts and statistical correlations.

Basically, "reality" is a function of what we can study through testing. Personally, I would suggest that while there seems to be value in accumulating data on realistic particulars, how do we know that the tests themselves are real?

A lot of argument as to what makes a "realistic" game mod seems to be based on nominalism: for example, here is the data on how a torpedo should work, and here is my mod to make it so. Yet, if we don't all agree on the plausibility of the data, the reality falls apart due to its un-empirical nature. Is the test at fault, or is the data? Or is it the fault of the limitations of the game universe created for SHIII? We will never know, becasue there always seems to be a layer of uncertainty over anything we dare to call "real".

So, Pablo, people can tell you otherwise. If they do, you can produce this argument to back up what you feel reality is.

I hope this helps in dealing with the perpetual discourse over what is "real" or not in SHIII, or in anything else.

My quotation source is from "A Modern Dictionary of Sociology" by Theodorsen & Theodorsen. If you want to win humiliating bar-bets with cute Philosophy majors, or better still, Sociology or Psych majors, this book is a must-own.

BobV_07,

EXACTLY!!! I agree with you 100%

:ping:

Never feel bad about making your own decisions based on the information you see or experience.

It is quite okay to think for yourself.

TWELVEFIELD! I LOVE THAT POST! I'm glad you quoted it.

Cheers mates! :know:

yea I also agree with BOB_o7

Peoples, peoples why are people attacking Beery? He and others spent their own FREE TIME to research and do a mod called RUB, for the benefit of others. Which personally I must say I like and enjoy. There is no rule that I have read here in this forum that states YOU have to play RUB1.43. If you don't like RUB, well don't play it. Play the game how you like and get the most enjoyment out off.

:|\ I like vanilla ice cream with a little chocolate syrup on top.
If i am real good my mom would put a cherry on top. :shifty:

Just to make it clear, IÂ´ll lock this thread if I see yet another personal stab against Beery. Discuss the pro and contra of RUb as much as you like, but do not bring it to a personal level!

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

Just to make it clear, IÂ´ll lock this thread if I see yet another personal stab against Beery. Discuss the pro and contra of RUb as much as you like, but do not bring it to a personal level!

Beery, and the Rub team, rule. :rock: That ok? ;)

Because RUB cant handle constructive critisism. If it aint correct according to RUB - it dont exsist.

Because RUB's WRONG more times than RUB's right - if ever!

Here is a MOD which in no way even comes close to REAL wartime service of any sort.

And then ppl defend this MOD as being Realistic - HA!!! what a bloody joke.

Lock the thread - I'm done with it.

If you want to think that fine. What is wrong with it? You can't just say that without reasons. You could be right, I proved one point wrong and got it changed. :up:

Know anyone what in RUB is for the Shipidentifikation ?
In my game (a littlebit from RUB + many other Mods) you can see in the Uzo or Periscope "Kriegsschiff" (in eng. "Warship") or "Handelsschiff" (in engl. i dont know :( ) or other Shiptyps.

In RUB you cant see the shiptyp. Why ? In what .cfg is that saved ?

PS. ManualTargetingSystemRealismPercentage is off !

Cdr Gibs,have you ever really been kicked in the the ass by someone that can really do it?Really that could be really realistic :yep:

RUB is a mod and, therefore, an inanimite object. It is incapable of responding to criticism or responding in the popular notions of correctness.