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oh ok so she was exported lol.

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Originally Posted by Zie Chuckinator

oh ok so she was exported lol.

No, she was built in Germany to be exported, but it was impounded when the war broke out, and then commissioned into the Kriegsmarine.

From other websites:

Gunter Prien- 31 ships 194,103 tons

Germany's 4th top ranking commander. His only U-Boat command was the famous U-47.Prien was chosen by Admiral Donitz for the raid on the Home Fleet Base at Scapa Flow in the Orkneys. He succeeded on this mission, sinking the 31,000 ton Battleship HMS Royal Oak.
HMS Wolverine sunk his boat for loss of all hands after Prien's short 18 months at sea.

From Subsim.com :

Previously recorded fate (Last revised by FDS/NHB during June 1991)
There is till today not certain confirmation, how U-47 was lost. For years was it believed that the British destroyer HMS Wolverine sank U-47 on 8 March, 1941 after depth charges attacks, but the Wolverine actually attacked Eckermann's U-A.

Possible reasons for the loss of U-47 include mines, by its own torpedoes or by an attack by British corvettes HMS Camellia and HMS Arbutus.

Hello,
i think Oombongo is right, and from there he managed to influence the evangelic electors of Bush who b.t.w. are all satanists who support Israel and killed Kennedy (did i leave something out?). Just look around the Internet, evidence is out there !
Greetings,
Catfish

Catfish, you've got to be kidding....I thought you were too smart for that crap.......... :sunny:

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Originally Posted by Silverfox18

Yes you forgot to mention Starforce.

For Catfish.

I ran into Prein in Israel. He told me when the truth of the final solution became known he dedicated his life to help the Jews retrieve their historic land they so richly deserved.
He continues doing so to this day (he has a small house on the Sea of Galilee) except to take time out to campaign for Bush and believes the US constitution should be changed so Bush can have 4 or 5 terms.

Further proof of Prein's greatness, IMO

Shalom!!

Wulfmann

yes I know what happened to him and his crew.

He eventually became the first 'actor' on Lost!!

:rotfl:

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Originally Posted by msxyz

Indeed, there's a legend that says that Prien mutined in late 1941.

But it seems unlikely. While being an excellent sailor he was easily influenced by the propaganda and never realized to be a tool of the regime. His exploits and accomplishment were boasted and over-exagerated. There are even concrete doubts that his biography was written by him rather than by a sponsored journalist. Everybody remembers Prien for his incursion in Scapaflow, but very few know that the italians violated every major english harbor in the mediterranean using submersibles and delivering frog-men to place limpet chrges or explosive carriots from 1941 to 1943.

Now, back in topic, possible causes:

Lost to a mine: as in WW1, the english littered the sea with millions of mines that claimed many unaware uboots. Prien's last reported position was far from every major mine field and thus this fate does not seem likely

Sunk by english ASW ships: HMS Camellia and HMS Arbutus were operating near the zone were U47 was last reported. As Uboat.net reports, for years was it believed that the British destroyer HMS Wolverine sank U-47 on 8 March, 1941. This information proved incorrect. Both the sonar and the hydrophone were disturbed by the turbolence caused by depth charges for up to 5 minutes after. This give a submarine the time to slip away at schleictfahrt. Many ASW crews claimed this way a disproportionate number of sinks or simply gave up when they couldn't hear the submarine anymore.

Operational loss: The most probable. An operational loss is an unfortunate event unrelated to combat. Mechanical failures, incidents caused by human errors, natural disasters and the such. For a submarine these are the most likely scenarios:

-Onboard explosion: most likely caused by the batteries. Lead Acid accumulators develop hydrogen and oxygen while used. During recharge the battery rooms are ventilated; during rapid dischares (ie flank speed)while dived, it's impossible to do so thus the explosive gases accumulate inside the submarine.
-Circling torpedoes: if the gyroscope is damaged or does not begin to spin before the torpedo exits the tube, the torpedo usually enters into a loop course or in a random zig-zag pattern. Since a dived submarine is much larger and slower than a torpedo, chances are than the crazed torpedo will strike its own mother craft before it has a chance to get out of its way.
-Structural collapse: unlikely unless the boat was damaged by a collision / depth charge attack sometime earlier.
-Crash dive without closing all the valves/hatches: They say: "sh!t happens". And it happened many times, particulary with green crews.

IT IS not possible that a circling torpedo hit Prein because he was out of torpedos when he reported contact with the convoy.

:rotfl: :rock:
Greetings,
Catfish

P.S. i really DID forget Starforce :oops: this is eeeevil

Maybe someone else's torp hit him?

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Operational loss: The most probable. An operational loss is an unfortunate event unrelated to combat. Mechanical failures, incidents caused by human errors, natural disasters and the such. For a submarine these are the most likely scenarios:

Like that time I waas running under time compression, and mistook the standard depth meter for the shallow depth meter.

clicked on 250 meters (well I thought it was 25) one of the few times I'd say its ok to reload your game. :|\

Prein et al learned the hardest way possible that it is most difficult to avoid detection,not to mention depth charges, when,in waters so clear, one's boat can plainly be seen from the surface while over 200 feet down.

:ping: :damn: :ping:

Things break.

A sumbarine is a very complex machine, hundreds of things can be damaged. Even with out being Depth Charged or some type of accident, things do break. And that could of been the case too.

If he did survive the intial depth charge attacks from Wolverine and company. His boat probably succumbed to damages while trying to slip away.