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August 11-22-23 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace (Post 2893009)
When you say you have seen it done, were the actual conditions duplicated as well including the car, speed, distances, elevation etc.... ?

Yes it was specifically done to duplicate the conditions including the type of rifle and scope that was used. They also simulated shooting from the grassy knoll but that angle was nearly 90 degrees and a much harder target to hit than Oswalds vantage point which had the limo traveling almost directly away from him. I saw that one tried 4 times and they only managed to get a hit once.

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Cyril Wecht is an expert and has said there were other shooters involved. JFK's brain disappeared and other Forensic Pathologists were never allowed to see his brain in the course of an " Investigation." There are too many discrepancies, Do you believe that Oswald was killed by a " patriot " Jack Ruby ? No, it was to shut him up.
I agree it was likely done to shut him up which is why I think there is some merit to the idea that somebody put Oswald up to it. The Russians are another suspect given that Oswald had defected to them just a few years earlier.

d@rk51d3 11-22-23 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2892999)
Oswald fired the first shot who hit him in the neck. The second shot came from a weapon in front of the limo.
Tried to find this documentary on YT without any luck it was produced by some Australian company.

I say it's plausible

Markus

I saw that one a while ago too.

Usual security detachment were too drunk/hungover to go on duty, so a green crew was assigned.

Oswalds shot injured JFK. One of the new security personnel, sitting with his finger on the trigger jumped at the sound and inadvertently pulled his own trigger, making the fatal shot.

August 11-22-23 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by d@rk51d3 (Post 2893019)
I saw that one a while ago too.

Usual security detachment were too drunk/hungover to go on duty, so a green crew was assigned.

Oswalds shot injured JFK. One of the new security personnel, sitting with his finger on the trigger jumped at the sound and inadvertently pulled his own trigger, making the fatal shot.


There is absolutely no way a pistol round can be confused with a rifle round.

d@rk51d3 11-22-23 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2893020)
There is absolutely no way a pistol round can be confused with a rifle round.

Apparently someone in the car behind had rifle?

Found the doco source:

https://isbnsearch.org/isbn/9780733630446


https://www.screenaustralia.gov.au/t...un-2013/32168/

August 11-22-23 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by d@rk51d3 (Post 2893024)
Apparently someone in the car behind had rifle?

Found the doco source:

https://isbnsearch.org/isbn/9780733630446


I find that very hard to believe. Even harder to believe that such a discharge would not have shattered the windshield.



https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/85aa9...0&dpr=1&s=none

Dowly 11-23-23 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2893013)
They also simulated shooting from the grassy knoll but that angle was nearly 90 degrees and a much harder target to hit than Oswalds vantage point which had the limo traveling almost directly away from him. I saw that one tried 4 times and they only managed to get a hit once.

This is something everyone seems to forget or not be aware of when talking about another shooter. The conspiracy theory states that there had to be another shooter somewhere to the front of JFK due to his head movement and that shooter is often placed on the Grassy Knoll. However, as you say, the shot from the GK would be coming from JFK's left side at the time of the third and fatal hit.

There's a whole lot of suspect stuff surrounding the JFK assassination, but the shooting itself can be (and has been) traced clearly to have had been carried out by Oswald and Oswald alone.

les green01 11-23-23 07:43 AM

the commie got off all three with two being hits if you watch the film done that day jfk head is starting to lean down and towards jackie the autospy photos shows entry back of the head right top exit right side of brain is complete gone while the left brain had no damage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8tO16xdrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptt1ti63IiE&t=21s
this guy does a good job covering everything although he says the second shot was the neck shot not the first

Otto Harkaman 11-23-23 07:44 AM

https://youtu.be/aPdQy9d11Ic?si=KHolePH4cwQ6Udy6

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. outlined his belief that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) were involved in his uncle JFK's assassination. He stated that disgruntled members of the CIA were angry at President Kennedy for his perceived betrayal during the Bay of Pigs invasion and his controversial relationship with Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev. Kennedy Jr. outlined a secretive line of communication established between his uncle and Khrushchev to avoid war, with an agent named Georgie Bochco acting as a courier. Kennedy Jr. even claimed that on the day of his uncle's assassination, Castro was meeting to discuss ending the embargo on Cuba, indicating that the assassination potentially disrupted peace efforts. Additionally, he added that President Kennedy had signed an order 30 days prior to his death, calling for all U.S. troops to return home from Vietnam.

Makes me think of Air America and the CIA
https://youtu.be/AkVnLYZAKwM?si=vXsKtIpalRJqnfHV

Look all the crazy stuff that happened under the Reagan administration with Intelligence Covert Military Ops intertwining multiple regions and operations to support themselves, Iran-Contra etc.

Otto Harkaman 11-23-23 08:31 AM

https://youtu.be/c5zw1eOIW9M?si=a7Ktk7315isfifnl

mapuc 11-23-23 09:24 AM

About the shooting the best evidence there is out there is Zapruder's 8 mm video clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zwG...channel=mrViss

Markus

Dowly 11-23-23 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2893080)
About the shooting the best evidence there is out there is Zapruder's 8 mm video clip.


Markus

Quite. Just not that version of it which has been post processed to the point it is useless. :o


Here's a better version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJFT-OyDEc


If you go frame by frame (use . and , on your keyboard), you can see the forward motion of JFK's head as the third shot lands, further proving it came from behind.

Otto Harkaman 11-23-23 11:35 AM

^ ? you can see at 0.20 to 0.21 he is struck in the front of the head and his head goes back :-?

Dowly 11-23-23 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman (Post 2893095)
^ ? you can see at 0.20 to 0.21 he is struck in the front of the head and his head goes back :-?

You'll have to look harder. Go back few frames before the hit and pay attention to JFK's head: it is stationary, then on the frame you see the impact his head moves very slightly forward before then reversing direction backwards.

You can see the forward motion better in this gif:
https://www.jfk-online.com/Closeup_312-313.gif

Jeff-Groves 11-23-23 11:49 AM

JFK wore a back brace. The impact from behind would push him forward but that brace would cause the backwards motion.

em2nought 11-23-23 12:15 PM

I wonder where we'd be now if this had never happened, just like I wonder where we'd be now if the last "election" wasn't the sham it was. No Vietnam? No Ukraine? No Israel? :hmmm:

Sean C 11-23-23 12:42 PM

I made a video about the assassination after I found two autopsy photos of the President which can be used in a stereo viewer. This gives a full, top-down, 3D picture of the President's head wound, with what's left of his brain still intact. I posted the video on YouTube 14 years ago. It's gotten well over half a million views since then.

The photos have been available on the internet for decades, and still are. I thought it was unbelievable that no one seemed to have noticed them before. I thought other people would feel the same. But mostly, I just get comments about how much people hate bagpipe music. :/

I also made a gif that alternates between z312 and z313, the two Zapruder film frames which show the President just before and just after the fatal shot. They clearly show the President's head move forward a few inches at the instant of the fatal shot, before he slumps backward.

As I've said in the video, and in the comments: I don't know if there were multiple shooters. I don't even know if Oswald was involved at all. But after looking at the 3D photos and the Zapruder film, I believe the fatal shot came from behind the President. The wound in the photo is entirely consistent with the Z film. And I think it would be rather difficult to fake a 3D photo and an 8mm film in 1963 with no computers.

Here is a link to the gif: Z Film gif You can easily find my video on YouTube.

Jeff-Groves 11-23-23 01:24 PM

I shoot high power airguns.
I have set gourds on stands useing braces. What happens is they go towards the movement of the slug on impact and the braces cause them to move back towards the original position.

It's not rocket science. Just the laws of physics!

Otto Harkaman 11-23-23 01:53 PM

Well it looks like it is a hit from the front and she sees it so her natural instinct is to crawl out the back thinking the shooter is in the front. Why would she crawl towards the shooter?

https://images.fineartamerica.com/im...et-unknown.jpg

Dowly 11-23-23 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman (Post 2893131)
Well it looks like it is a hit from the front and she sees it so her natural instinct is to crawl out the back thinking the shooter is in the front. Why would she crawl towards the shooter?

She is looking at JFK when he is shot, so she possibly couldn't see where the shot came from. Trying to make sense as to what and why she does what she did is pointless. She just saw her husband's head pop open, she tried to simply get away from the situation.


Edit: Re: "magic bullet" That's just one image of it, others show it is much more damaged than that.

les green01 11-23-23 06:00 PM

Clint Hill done a lot of interviews reason she climb on the trunk was to get peices and stuff from the head wound and even said she had grab some and he be the one to know after all his ass is the one hanging out on the car if you watch the film in slow mo you will see the gore flying out the front of his head and car moving at 11mph so wind going carry a lot of it backwards and the witnesses several of them seen the rifle being use the guys below the 6th floor could even hear the eject casings hit the floor above them i think the problem is people don't want to think a loser like him could get that lucky also witness said they seen him at a range had the scope sighted in and was target shooting if you ever been there its not that great of a distance what 265 feet which comes out to 88 yards and a slow moving target


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