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Catfish 05-18-22 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2809232)
I have a couple of questions how long can the subs that left Sevastopol remain at sea?

46 days it is said.
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And what ever happened to those Russian supply boat(s) that left PACAREA and we’re supposedly heading to the Med? Did they make it into the Black Sea and can they be used as sub tenders?
First part i do not know, there were some "rescue" vessels entering the black sea before the war began ad they could be used as such.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ZVO4NWmpQ

On the other hand it is not necessary, they have Sevastopol. Though a well-aimed ukrainian Neptun would do the trick ... I guess Ukraine would be able to hit a surfaced ship, but submerged? They would need a navy, or long-range planes and helicopters for a search.
I wonder if a Global Hawk drone like Forte11 would be able to spot a snorkeling Kilo.

Back to the OP, did not want to divert, i do not know what happened to the russian supply boats – anyone?

Kapitan 05-20-22 05:32 PM

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I have a couple of questions how long can the subs that left Sevastopol remain at sea? And what ever happened to those Russian supply boat(s) that left PACAREA and we’re supposedly heading to the Med? Did they make it into the Black Sea and can they be used as sub tenders?
The Kilo on standard configuration considering food stuffs and stores for a normal patrol 45 days, however war time conditions you could probably get 90 or so out of it.

Most of our boats can do 90 comfortably yet during the Falkland's when the store for war order came about a lot more was taken onboard, think it was conks that did 128 without re supply, I have heard one of our V boats during the pandemic did a 150 day stint.

As for the amphibs no one has heard from them for a while, as for sub tenders no they cant be used as sub tenders but there there is no need, with the Black sea closed off the Kilos can transfer to Novorossysk to re supply, they can also operate under normal transit conditions as the Ukraine doesn't have a navy that can reach them the other side of the Black sea.

Thanks catfish I have seen quite a few videos on the Kilo they are great boats, I know combat approved is Russian state TV but they did a series called Black sea fleet which included Rostov on Don, and theres also a dedicated episode to the Kilo herself.

mapuc 05-20-22 05:37 PM

The sub isn't it only the half of it ? Where the crew is the other half.

Markus

Kapitan 05-21-22 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2809583)
The sub isn't it only the half of it ? Where the crew is the other half.

Markus

Not sure I follow what your meaning is

mapuc 05-21-22 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan (Post 2809693)
Not sure I follow what your meaning is

Been thinking and came to the conclusion that my question was wrong-No country would let a group of newbies take control over a modern sub.

The crew on a Kilo Class submarine is well trained and so is the crew on a modern American submarine.

Markus

Kapitan 05-21-22 12:18 PM

Theres always new people on submarines but overall yes they wont be crewed by total new comers

mapuc 05-21-22 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan (Post 2809707)
Theres always new people on submarines but overall yes they wont be crewed by total new comers

This made me remember a series where you followed some young submariner candidate, Where they attend some Submarine school in Norfolk(I think it was)

Remember also they had to learn every little thing on the sub and where it was located.

Markus

Kapitan 05-22-22 09:36 AM

Don’t think I have seen that one but it would be interesting to watch

As crew yes you do have to know every inch of the boat

One of the exercises they do on the British boats is to get you in a mask with a cover over the glass and then you got to work your way from one compartment to another using the BIBS (Built In Breathing System)

That’s a pipe that runs throughout the boat and you connect to it to receive air during an emergency

I will try and dig up a couple of pictures

mapuc 05-22-22 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan (Post 2809885)
Don’t think I have seen that one but it would be interesting to watch

As crew yes you do have to know every inch of the boat

One of the exercises they do on the British boats is to get you in a mask with a cover over the glass and then you got to work your way from one compartment to another using the BIBS (Built In Breathing System)

That’s a pipe that runs throughout the boat and you connect to it to receive air during an emergency

I will try and dig up a couple of pictures

Since I can't remember the title I had to make a lot of search on yt and I found this series

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Submarine School is a 2011 4 part documentary series which follows five submariners as they undergo a tough training scheme as they prepare to become RN Nuclear Sub Commanders. This is Episode 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dZBNFFaDkY

The Series I saw was in a school where they trained fire on board, Water leak and many other disaster that could happen on a sub.

Markus

Jimbuna 05-22-22 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan (Post 2809885)

I will try and dig up a couple of pictures

Quickest and simplest imho Blair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Built-in_breathing_system

Kapitan 05-22-22 09:50 AM

This one shows using the BIBS system during a fire exercise on HMS Torbay

https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313...7719407158023/

I don’t think I’ve seen the one you posted from sub school I shall give it a watch

mapuc 05-22-22 11:17 AM

Done lots of search again on yt this time with the search word Submarine school and basic submarine school.

I found this and it made me recall some scenes from the..well maybe it wasn't a serie but one 50 minute long documentary about these aspirants.

Here it is...It made me recall some of the scenes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qt7dyhB-jg&t=7s

Markus

Kapitan 05-23-22 02:15 PM

Ahhh yes I have seen this one it was a great documentary, there is also another one called submarine sharks of steel done around the same time.

Platapus 05-23-22 06:16 PM

That was a nice documentary. Thank you for posting it.


Are the uniforms, and the crew, that clean after a few weeks?

Kapitan 05-23-22 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2810146)
That was a nice documentary. Thank you for posting it.


Are the uniforms, and the crew, that clean after a few weeks?

On a nuke boat yes, they have a laundry onboard, probably the most expensive washing machine and dryers in the world :haha:

On the Kilos and some other diesel boats they have disposable working clothes which absorb sweat so you dont stink as much.

Platapus 05-24-22 04:27 PM

Thank you

Kapitan 05-25-22 04:31 PM

Blind mans bluff is a good documentary which highlights the submarine world, in the first two portions it shows you the limitations of diesel boats note the USS Cochino and USS Gudgeon incidents.

While conventional submarines are very good at what they do they certainly have some limitations.

The other side to that is conventional especially the Kilos are affordable by nations whos defense budgets are not as big as some of the major players, The Kilo can offer a 2nd or 3rd rate navy the ability to force multiply as well as increasing their capabilities ten fold with regards to ISR SIGNIT ELINT and covert operations.


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