It's new to you? Are you some sort of authority on the political leanings of private schools in my country? I've lived for years in your country, have dozens of relatives over there and I would never be so arrogant as to lecture them about their own country.

And where did you get the idea I was talking about one school? I've worked in dozens them around here over the past 40 plus years, both as an outside contractor and as a faculty member.




Oh I see some kind of loyalty oath is all that it takes to get you Germans into lockstep right? Will this stupid attempt to indoctrinate peoples feelings be effective in preventing other types of crimes like robbery or murder? If not why not? I mean who knew all we had to do to prevent racism was make kids promise to be nice? :roll:

^ Good old Godwin argument, if all fails it's Germans into lockstep, i wonder whether you talk to your german relatives that way.

True is i don't know about private schools in the US, but usually private schools and pricy Internate or boarding/residential schools in Europe are seldomly "left". Maybe in the US some overreact a bit when it comes to race and such, in the light of those recent events?

Alright, a pledge is the wrong way. So, if people behave in a certain way they should just be thrown out after some warnings? No reaction at all? But then for a school to be able to do either you need some legal background.
Whatever if this is not the right way what do you propose to educate / make people behave less racist / make people aware that racism is anything but absent in daily life?

Oh i'm sorry that argument is invalid. You guys completely destroyed the Godwin defense forever these past 4 years in your eagerness to paint Trump as some kind of hitlerz second coming. A countryman of yours is even still claiming that our military is awash with budding neo fascists so sorry if you folks want to play that then expect some return fire when appropriate, like in this instance.



I don't know, all I can say is the USA is not Europe.




Dude you're moving the goalposts. Either this "certain way" is illegal or against the schools charter and justifies some kind of disciplinary action or it's not, and please explain how a universal pledge would give the school some improved capability of dealing with such problems.



"You claimed not to be a racist in that pledge back in your freshman year and now you have broken that pledge by ____________ so therefore the school can now impose ____________ as punishment."


Fill in the blanks.






Educate is far different than make which is another word for "force" and not just stop them from doing things already illegal but force them to change their minds! But you don't call that indoctrination no sir! :roll:


You want to know that I propose? How about our government stop constantly quantifying and subdividing us by race. How about our leaders stop playing one race off against the other in their lust for power. Those alone would go a long way.

The argument is invalid because some said that Trump is Hitler? I didn't. I take it the latter was evil but not half as dumb. Also i gave a sh!t Trump's 'policies', he had none apart from trying to appear as popular as possible for the right wing, and saying anything he thought his fan base would like to hear, while trying to present himself as "the greatest" and cashing in donations personally.. while destroying the republican party.

So it is a bad thing to have laws or to demand pledges against things that are obviously wrong you said, or that are self-evident.
Lots of laws against criminals, but maybe they should "just behave" or "be educated". I generally agree now please 1st explain how you do that and 2nd why don't anyone even try to educate them, and make those laws against wrongdoing superfluous. Is there a law against publicly displaying the swastika? Why if it is all self-evident.

Re the OP:
So this father pulled his daughter out of school because he feared she is brainwashed and being pushed into being "left" or "liberal" (while i think there is a difference)
It really seems that education might give you a perspective you would not have otherwise, and teach you to think in different ways, to see things from another viewpoint. Better close them all.

Racism has become a meaningless overused term.

I'd be pissed too if I was to be forced to take a pledge and take a anti-racist training course. Just like with religion what you believe in is fine by me just leave me bloody out of it. I have my opinions and believes and you have yours if you can respect that from eachother then I see no problem. I'm not a racist, I don't care what you are in terms of skin colour, religion, ethnicity, sex and sexuality. I do have however opinions and do not act like a singular being thinking the same as others and if some do have problems with that or are offended by things I say then that's their problem....not mine.

What does annoy me is that what we get is a shopping list of things we can't do, say or think about because some find it offensive and get outraged. A lot of people are spending way to much time HUNTING on what's offensive to them and cry that they're offended rather then just stick to their own lives and mind their own business.

I think it's wrong for a school to force their students to pledge to anything and take a unnecessary training courses because it's a waste of resources and could be better spend by educating their students and allow them to develop their own mindsets and ideas.

FTW! It really has!

The final nail in the coffin for me was when we were introduced to BLM when in fact I personally reckon ALL LIVES MATTER

The US is on a path of solving racism with using racism to do so. What will critical race theory solve? Our schools and colleges are some of the chief perpetrators.

re Jim: I see it a bit different. Black people (or brown or whatever grade of pigmentation applies) have been abducted, enslaved, subdued, segregated and generally treated at least (uh hu) different than white people, for centuries.
At least segregation and the discrimination were still well present in the 1970ies, not only in the US of course, and not everywhere in the US, ok.

After things went a bit calmer it now seems that the prejudice and behaviour towards coloured people is cooking up again, and it certainly triggers an outburst of anger when murder of whatever degree happens. Can you imagine what would have happened with Chauvin if the girl would not have filmed it? Not a year ago i read in a US forum that some man did "not want to work with blacks because [they] dislike them", and alot of other forum members chimed in.

So after centuries of abuse and denigration and this whole BS cooking up again some decide to create the "Black lives matter" idea.

Which is of course not meant in the way that only black lives matter, they want to make people aware of the general situation of prejudice and racism. Of course they could have called it "black lives also matter" but i guess that would not have hit home.

After years and centuries they now exclaim that black lives matter, and the good old white boys from across the street are throwing a tantrum because .. what exactly?
I really wonder what is going on in the minds of some :doh:

"Good old white boys"? AVG is right. You are trying to use racism to defeat racism and I don't think you even realize it.

You missed the primary target on what BLM started as and what it has become. BLM from my readings(living it) began as a result of police overwhelming poor outcomes(death) for blacks with something as simple as a traffic stop. Rodney King beatings at the hands of the police in the 80s was never a "isolated" incident. There is a long line of Rodney Kings that started before Rodney King and continued well into the 21 century. BLM is drawing attention to this problem and rightly so.

Perhaps the good old white boy does not grasp what BLM is working towards? But the good old boy like many people get their views on certain social unrest from the media that paints it anyway they like. Has BLM grown more than just protest for police reform? It appears depending where one gets their new sources.

Let's be 100% clear. Black and brown people have been enslaving each other for centuries and they're *still* doing it. It's not a person's skin color.

Police interaction with the public in the US is in the millions of interactions each year. The number of black people who have an interaction that ends in their death by the police is infinitesimal. Of the 765 people who ended up being killed by the police in 2020, only 28% were black. The vast majority of them were white people.

One also must ask the question of why violence amongst the population is *overwhelmingly* perpetrated by African-Americans. In fact, black-on-black crime is overwhelmingly in the majority, usually involving male-on-male (i.e. gang violence).

We don't have such criminal acts being perpetrated by African immigrants, rather, African-Americans born in the US.

We overwhelmingly don't see the media reporting the race of a perpetrator of violent crime when that perpetrator is black.

It's not a skin color/racism problem. It's a refusal by American society to admit that the reforms instituted by LBJ have directly led to the destruction of the family unit in African-American homes, and the associated rise in antisocial behavior by people who don't have a father in the home - they see that casual sex, drug abuse, no respect for other people, and no requirement to work for the things you want, is rewarded by the government.

Given what investigation into Patrice Cullors has revealed so far, I'd argue that BLM was never anything other than a grift to begin with.

But, if you do it by the numbers(more whites than blacks in the population) police encounters with blacks are greater statistically ending in death. This is one of the sticking points.

So is the government of the US. :hmmm: BLM has become more that it was to be. It is also getting rotten elements as well. I think we find this in every type of group no matter the Boy Scouts or the Glee Club.

Granted there are issues(some here for a long time) in our society. There is also good in our society. It is unfortunate the bad is always advertised.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...4e&oe=60BB083D

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...4e&oe=60BAF886

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...5d&oe=60BAF113

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...57&oe=60BADCC3

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...2e&oe=60BB8C23

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...63&oe=60BA575D

^ AVGWarhawk Thanks for posting, i know that the majority of people live together without problems, on the contrary – as can be seen too. Of course the yellow press media are more interested in the more sensational/negative aspects.
Some good thoughts and getting a lot straight, making it all better understandable.

3catcircus wrote:
Lyndon B. Johnson, what did he do/what happened that led to this?

^ Possibly referring to the Civil Rights Act of 1964

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...ights-act-1964

Catfish, I had interesting years in college(1980s). My room mate is from NY. His mom Jamaican. His father black. We roomed together for our 4 years. I had witnessed many ways my room mate was treated differently. Odd as it was, if we walked into a predominantly black bar I was accepted(white guy) because I was hanging with a black guy. The same would go for my room mate. Predominantly white bar he would get a look but when the other patrons noticed he was with me it was all good. There was some bars we just did not go into no matter our color! My experiences in the social realm with my room mate opened my eyes to a lot. He was treated differently in many respects. But I can say without the doubt he is the most decent caring individual I have met in my 55 years on this mudball. It changed how I interact with people of any color. People are simply people to me. Looking for a fair shake, live the best they can, given an opportunity and be happy.

As a side note, my adopted sister is Korean. I had witnessed the crap kids would say to her(chink, slant eyes). I put a stop to that when I heard it. People can be cruel and for no good reason.

There are hateful and racist in every races on our planet.

Markus