Since some years back, Swedish news paper does not use words like she, her or he him.

Now they use the word hen
Female is either written as hon(she) or henne(her)
Male is either written as han(he) or honom(him)
so instead they use the word hen in every aspect.

Markus

Maya Forstater, Joanne Rowling. Forstater speakign otu plain reaosn and scinetific fact - and gettin fired for it. Rowling Defending her, earning a massive sh!tstorm.

One has to know that there is a fundamental "civil war" takling place inside radical feminism. the one side, to which Fostater and Rowling seem to be sympathetic, is called trans-exclusive femism, and the other camp around Judith Butler who claims that biological gender is not real but just an arbitrary social construct.


https://www.queer.de/publisher/pics/...-trans-600.jpg

Trans women are women.
Trans men are men.
Non-binary people are non-binary.

CC: JK Rowling.
Human Rights Campaign (@HRC) December 19, 2019

Twitter / HRC

A ****storm - for this ^ ???


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50858919
Reasonable reasons for the judgement - in this ^ ...???

I read quotes of what Forstater said, the media usually summarize it as "transphobic". I do not see any phobic statement there at all, just plain reason and scientific, biological fact. Because its about the genes, stupid.

Its totally idiotic what happens ther ein massacres against reason and science. But brutal reality.


And what is it that Forstaster said and what she got fired for?

LINK Read here.

Loosing your job - for this ^??? Discrimination...? "Phobic"...???


:ping: Its reality, not a scenario of the future they might or might not turn real in the future. Like it is real already whatg I gave in exmaples in an earlier post above: job discmrination of males, male-all-exclusion quotas. Hell, there are 150 chairs for gender "sciences" in Germany. 150...!! Not mone fot hem deals with science, however. None of them has ever released abytjign that even cloesly would qualify for a scientific work. We could as well launch professorships for astrology, or homeopathy and Bach flowers "therapy", or green healing rays by St. Raphael, and healing with stones.



You are wrong, Dowly. From A to Z you are wrong there.

What's it to you, Skybird?

Rejecting cancel culture. rejecting a small noisy minority of ignorrants the right to turn political correctness into existentially threatening fascism in the name of wannabesomethings who are bored by their meaningless life and insist to become a special something, a celebrity-kind of personality that gets applause for nothing than just claiming something and which is in collision mode with science and reason.

Thats what it is to me, Tchocky.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695


Nobody starts being able to breath under water just by claiming he is a fish and wants to be seen as one. And I dont like getting pushed and getting forced to award him for this folly, and getting sanctioned, cancelled, punished if I dont comply.


That all is what it is to me. And what it should be to everybody.

Jesus, would you consider taking a moment and considering how nasty the stuff you type is?

I really would be careful throwing around the word "ignorant" here.


Complaining that others are encouraging fascism because of their ignorance, yelling about bored idiots in the minority with meaningless lives?

If they're bored, Skybird, then what the hell are you?

Be nice for once.

Celebrity personality?

Are you *insane*?


You know nothing of what you speak.

Take a break.

Be nice.

I intend to become a unicorn. I just hesitate which gender :hmmm:

Hilarious.

What you demand, is almost personally offensive. By demanding respect for nonsense you tell me to my face that you think I am an idiot. Sorry, I do not respect this nonsense, and I have certainly zero intention to ever play nice when the personal obsessions of others are no longer kept in their private cabin, but insist to take over the rules of public life and language and social standards. You do not let the insane manage the asylum, even less so if they threaten you with punishments, sanctions, "cancellation" as it is called these days if you do not play by their new rules. This all is highly corrosive for society, it costs an awful lot of money to make this mande3ss a cozy plkace that it demands and wants to widen, just to please a handful of nutheads and narcissists who have learned to live by taking themselves as overly important, and the public creates them the stage on which they can wallow in their ego, whatever gender it may feel like on this or that day. Sorry, but not sorry at all, no go with me. Not before I have turned insane myself. Respecting this and be nice on it, would be a frontal assault on reason, intellectual thinking, and what is good and valuable in human nature. A raping of my own standrds and dignity, my own values and my own ethics. You see what problem I have there, yes?

Request denied.

Mandatory anti-.discmrination traning"...? Where? In Chinese reeducation camaps, maybe? Absolvents get a diploma confirmign they are now qualified for culturally more beautiful opinion-forming?

Crowd, world, everybody - get back to your damn senses. What is left of them.


A parody, in German, for those who understand German. Unfortunately, the starting point - the gender corretc lanbgaue offensive in the olublic amdinstraitona nd services of Hanniover - is not parody, but real. There and in many other cities and districts. When madness becomes pandemic, it turns into the norm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SylSFRcqPgk


The linguistic perversions described ALL ARE REAL IN GERMANY, officials and politicians and media people use this kind of raped German all the time. You can get removed from public services if you refuse to use it. You most likely will have your exam paper rejected and your diploma exam failed if you refuse to write in gender-correct language. You will be barred from tutoring, if you do not surrender. Students and tutors alike must obey it, else they get thrown out and must stop. Reality in Germany, Austria... since years. POrivate, social mobbing and consequences not even counted.



Yeah cancel culture they call it. Fascism I call it.

Great lady: sharp tongue, witty mind, smart and intelligent, charming and humorours and always polite. Not German, but Swiss. Her good looks are an additional benefit, but she must not live of them, her brain alone already justifies the money for the ticket. She runs a great - German-speaking - channel.

I am uncertain. The traditional feminists seem to be following the fate of the brown shirts - once useful to push for identity politics, group rights at the cost of universal individial rights and activist power they are now being slowly purged, with arrests and what not.

Hey maybe don't compare feminism to Nazism.


Just a wild crazy thought.

Sounds reasonable to me.
Plenty of other reasonable reasons in the judgment document as well.

Well it is not as bad, not yet anyway.
Note how you respond to the emotional hook rather than going after the actual arguments and problems, for example discussion of political prosecution of TERFs with arrests, etc.

But the foundations are there, down to the use of the same racial theory.
There is a good reason why you can swap some things in Mein Kampf and submit entire chapters for respectable subject matter journals.

What has Mine craft to do with feminism? Uh i misread.. :oops:

As you probably guessed i decided not to take this thread seriously. The discussion, yes, just not this thread. :D

The things you post here are offensive.


So please don't mind if I tell you where you can stick your "almost personally offensive".


Ridiculous. No one is demanding anything of you except the basic decency of avoiding being cruel. There are words and epithets we don not use anymore because they are universally found to be cruel and disrespectful.

Clearly you cannot do this - but please don't make your own general unpleasantness the fault of wider society.

Keep it in your private cabin and so on and so forth.

This is also known as being held responsible for your own behaviour.


To the privileged, any movement towards equality looks like punishment.

Please stop labelling those who you disagree with as insane. You are not helping an environment which is already malignant and cruel enough.

What sort of catastrophic rubbish have you been reading that suggests trans people can be fairly described as "nutheads and narcissists" who change their gender on a daily basis?


Again, it's not society's fault you are unable to speak with respect here so please stop blaming your personality issues on the rest of us.

Ugh. For someone who can't resist firing up the megaphone to complain about nutheads who change their gender on a daily basis, you really have stretched my patience with this claptrap about "reason".


Maybe one of those 150 gender studies academics could help you sort this out in your own head before the keyboard breaks under the crushing weight of your own self-righteousness.


JUST A THOUGHT.

I see that you are sufficiently deluded to think that this issue is a good one in which to use language of sexual assault to describe your own hurt feelings.


You are something else.

Well as long as you remain objective and reasonable.


You're all about reason, yes?

Fully agree. Talk to someone who knows about this field. Educate yourself.


I would strongly advise against using the language of sexual assault here.

LGBT people and transgenders in particular suffer the highest rates of sexual assault, rape and intimate partner violence. Many are denied support services afterwards due to sexual orientation or gender identity

Seriously I don't know why you continue to make claims of fascism. Where is this connection?

You started this thread talking about JK Rowling, on what planet is the reaction to her statements in any way analogous to fascism?


Seriously, chill.

And now we get to it.


Christ on a bike.

I was waiting for when someone would bring up Peterson and his views on C-16 which were very quickly pointed out to be false. But I guess that doesn't matter to him, considering before he made his Patreon income hidden he was making $40k a month to peddle outrage to angry people.

I'm sure that relying on a known liar and fraud isn't going to stop anyone.

And here comes character assasination.

What, Peterson?

He was absolutely full of it regarding C16

It's not character assasination if it's true.

Peterson's views on C16 where simply wrong, either he on purpose misrepresented it or he didn't know what he was talking about. C16 was, to put it simply, an amendment to existing anti-discrimination laws. It says absolutely nothing about being punished for mistakenly using a wrong gender pronoun.