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Commander Wallace 04-11-19 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece (Post 2602695)
I was thinking of something else, but I better not elaborate!:oops::oops:




:haha:

Skybird 04-11-19 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ET2SN (Post 2602621)
The neat thing about infinity is that even a small percentage of infinity is still infinity. :o

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2602715)
Nice!

Sorry, but that is a logical fallacy, I would say. A part of infinity mathematically is "infinity minus X". Thus: a finite quantum is left, and a finite quantum is what forms just the part.

I would conclude that just a part of infinity still being infinite, is something unimaginable and impossible.

You cannot divide or multiply, add to and substract from infinity. Its infinite. Alter it on a quantitative level, and it is not finite anymore. AND WAS NOT FROM THE BEGINNING ON.

Sailor Steve 04-11-19 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 2602662)
Stop being so pedantic. It doesn't suit you.

A lot of people would say it suits me, and I like Rockstar's summation. I don't know if the Universe is infinite, and I certainly never will, but as far as we can tell it might as well be.

Rockstar 04-11-19 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 2602662)
Stop being so pedantic. It doesn't suit you.




Lol I had look that word up. But I don't need to pretend to be a rocket scientist to know a black hole cannot be photographed. Alerting others to that fact was why I clicked on the clickbait headline which may lead others too believe it could.
Also, it pays to know these kinds things especially since my hobby is astrophotography. Helps prevent me from looking like an idiot in front of others at star parties. Part of my library includes Deep Sky Imagining Primer by Charles Bracken a very good but difficult read for beginners.

Dowly 04-11-19 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2602730)
But I don't need to pretend to be a rocket scientist to know a black hole cannot be photographed.

You are splitting hairs. No one was expecting an image of the event horizon, even less the singularity itself, but an image of a black hole which we absolutely got. The image shows everything expected; the material disk, the distortion of the disk and the dark area caused by the black hole in the center.

If it's not an image of a black hole, then what is it in your mind? :)

Skybird 04-11-19 01:41 PM

Wormholes, black holes, and the likes...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ptQ0CPMmU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdSz12Glhlw


The reasoning for the chosen depiction of both, are interesting!?

Mr Quatro 04-11-19 01:42 PM

If the earth is flat, as some still believe ... in fact there is even a flat earth society ... :yep:

Then how come everything we can see with our naked eye in our solar system and beyond with telescopes and now a far Horizon camera ... is round?

Time for this flat earth society to give in and agree that not only is everything round, but is by intelligent design. :hmmm:

Which is another point no one can prove.

Mr Quatro 04-11-19 02:13 PM

Yep! :yep: It's real I looked it up they are still in belief that the world is flat :o

https://www.themanual.com/travel/fla...-2020-details/

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Despite all evidence to the contrary, for more than a century the Flat Earth Society has maintained that our planet is not, indeed, a sphere. Instead, they posit that it’s a massive, flat disc with the Arctic Circle at its center and Antarctica as a towering, 150-foot-tall ice wall around Earth’s rim. They’re confident NASA is a black ops government agency whose sole purpose is to guard this wall from naysayers, dragons, and kraken. They also firmly believe gravity is an illusion, we’re orbited by an invisible “antimoon,” and the sun is only 3,000 miles above the Earth. The society dismisses all photographic and scientific evidence to the contrary as fake.

mapuc 04-11-19 05:41 PM

I who are very interested in our univers and the science surrounding it, was very excited when I saw the picture.

The little knowledge I have gained by watching all these documentaries about our univers told me or trying to remember what I have learned about black hole and the all the things around this hole.

Markus

THE_MASK 04-12-19 04:10 AM

Everything that is pulled into the singularity has to go somewhere doesnt it . Does the singularity get bigger or does the matter that makes up the singularity have mass and no mass at the same time ? or does the matter become just space (the blackness) . Does the event horizon get bigger over time ? These are questions i need to know .

STEED 04-12-19 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2602682)
The black hole or more commonly referred to in the UK as Brexit.

I want the bloody EU to disappear into it...Hello Mr Black Hole I got £20 for you to do a little job for me. :DL

On a more serious note not bad but we need a much better picture.

Skybird 04-12-19 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sober (Post 2602840)
Everything that is pulled into the singularity has to go somewhere doesnt it . Does the singularity get bigger or does the matter that makes up the singularity have mass and no mass at the same time ? or does the matter become just space (the blackness) . Does the event horizon get bigger over time ? These are questions i need to know .

The mass does not seize to exist, it accumulates inst5ead. So the gravity pull of the black hole grows stronger, I think. The picture they made, is not a photo of the hole itself, becasue sinc enothign escapes form a blakc hole, you cannbot catch up any emitting patrtciles, waves, whatever from it. Its like with "seeing" an insivisble man. We do not see the invisible man, but we can see the shadow he casts on the wall.



They said that the data on their harddrives had severla petabytes. Loads and loads of harddrives, several hundred kilograms in total weight. From this data, the images were constructed. Done four times, by four different teams. All teams' final results were not too different form each other, but different they were, which shows that these images are not "objective" visual photographies of somethign, but are artificial creations, thus I called them "illustrations". It is a data-based illustration of a black hole's "shadow" that its invisible presence casts on the matter and space around it.

Rockstar 04-12-19 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 2602753)
You are splitting hairs. No one was expecting an image of the event horizon, even less the singularity itself, but an image of a black hole which we absolutely got. The image shows everything expected; the material disk, the distortion of the disk and the dark area caused by the black hole in the center.

If it's not an image of a black hole, then what is it in your mind? :)




In my current state of mind I perceive a shopped image of light being bent by strong gravitational forces. Though I have on occasion altered my perception of time and sometimes reality then got the munchies after smoking some dank purple hindu :D

Mr Quatro 04-12-19 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2602899)
They said that the data on their harddrives had severla petabytes. Loads and loads of harddrives, several hundred kilograms in total weight. From this data, the images were constructed. Done four times, by four different teams. All teams' final results were not too different form each other, but different they were, which shows that these images are not "objective" visual photographies of somethign, but are artificial creations, thus I called them "illustrations". It is a data-based illustration of a black hole's "shadow" that its invisible presence casts on the matter and space around it.

Sky speaks the truth even the colors are computer generated based on the temperture and then the yellows and the reds are added in. I saw a series of screens from the other contributing data gathering space experts and they were not all perfect like the one in the OP ... More questions than answers, but that is a good thing for todays youth to help then get involved in space science.

Can you imagine the amount of math it took to get a space craft with the ability to take these images of a black hole to the point in time that it is in right now? :up:

Dowly 04-14-19 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro (Post 2602941)
Can you imagine the amount of math it took to get a space craft with the ability to take these images of a black hole to the point in time that it is in right now? :up:

None? :O:

Platapus 04-14-19 01:10 PM

http://www.pmslweb.com/the-blog/wp-c...funny-meme.jpg

Dowly 04-14-19 01:32 PM

I blowed slightly more air through my nostrils than I usually do. :)

Aktungbby 04-14-19 01:55 PM

AKTUNG'S 'ALIENATED' SLICE OF THE CONTINUUM
 
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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2603263)

SINCE TIME IS AN ILLUSION; THERE' NO SUCH THING AS SIX MONTHS..... IT'S ACTUALLY THREE: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ein_tongue.jpgSHORT STORY; THE PHOTO SHOWS HE WAS RIGHT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYZQxMowBsw
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Originally Posted by ALBERT
"the dividing line between past, present, and future is an illusion".

THANK GOD!...(IF HE EXISTS) AT (SO CALLED) AGE 68, AT LEAST I'M NOT DYING OF OLD AGE....MERELY 'CORPOREAL ENTROPY' :O: :yep: :shucks: :Kaleun_Party:
 
The term entropy and the term negentropy, should be regarded as attempts to supply terms which we would then seek to explain, for the difference between living and dying or dead processes. https://archive.schillerinstitute.co...egentropy.html[/U] https://archive.schillerinstitute.co...tropy/fig1.jpg

Mr Quatro 04-14-19 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2603267)
[COLOR=orange]SINCE TIME IS AN ILLUSION; THERE' NO SUCH THING AS SIX MONTHS..... IT'S ACTUALLY THREE: The term entropy and the term negentropy, should be regarded as attempts to supply terms which we would then seek to explain, for the difference between living and dying or dead processes.

How old are you if you didn't count the time you have spent sleeping?

Do the math for me ... :hmmm:

I am not on my pc, just on my Xbox one in between games :yep:

Another thought is simply this what if you could sleep all the way to another point in time in a space ship of unlimited range how far could you go without wake time counting against you like it would on earth ...?

Reece 04-14-19 08:39 PM

^ Only Aktungbby could answer a profound question like that! :o


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