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Fubar2Niner

04-06-17 02:54 PM

I just seen this.

I have been having this same experience for around five or six years and thought it was just my ears. Normally it starts in the early hours and wakes me. It's kind of a low hum, hums almost like a vibrating alarm but not quite. Starts and runs for maybe a minute or two, then seconds of silence, then starts again. Rinse and repeat. It sometimes last for just a few minutes, but it has lasted an hour or more on rare occasion.

It is not every night, but ironically it is mostly when you'd least expect noise. Before people would normally rise for work, etc.

I have never recorded it, thinking it's "in my head", not sure I'd even have the know how or equipment.

Best regards.

Fubar2Niner

Jeff-Groves

04-06-17 03:08 PM

I live in Nevada, Ohio. Have lived there for about 20 years.
I have heard a weird hum there at nite for as long as I can remember.
I have Tinnitus but the hum is NOT a part of this.
I only hear the hum when I'm home and no one else can hear it.
I travel all over the U.S.A. and don't recall hearing it anywhere else.
I take Excedrin PM's at home just to sleep through the nite because of this hum.
It's also the reason I prefer to travel for my living. Just to get away from it!
:o

Skybird

04-06-17 03:55 PM

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It is not every night, but ironically it is mostly when you'd least expect noise. Before people would normally rise for work, etc.

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I have never recorded it, thinking it's "in my head", not sure I'd even have

If it is "electromagnetic hearing", then indeed the brain is "making the noise", in erratic interpretation of the as erratic electrical stimulation of the nerves or affected brain lobes. But generally speaking, one of the biggest differences between tinnitus and the hum is that tinnitus patients locate the subjective origin of the noise they hear as being as something inside their head or ear (in German, the public calls Tinnitus often "the little man in the ear"), where as the hum is described by the vast majority of people to be originating from a source located outside their body, from the environment. Often it is said it sounds like putting your head under water and then hearing a humming sound from from above the water surface - the sound then is outside yourself, but seems to come from everywhere.

Another description often used is "like the propeller of a very high flying drone". People do not want to say by this they b eloieve ther eis a flying drone overhead, they just mean the sound reminds them of this association, like they also compare to distant Diesels or heavy construction machines vibrating through the ground or through some walls, from long distance away (just that there are no Diesels or machines).

Could you use the Hertz videos by Sony at youtube to limit the range of how the sound is for you? As I said, for me it is exactly 100Hz. And it lasts for hours and hours, the first weeks at night, but since a few days mainly at day.

Skybird

04-06-17 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2477226)

If it is the phenomenen they call the hum, then it indeed most likely is no tinnitus, no disease, nothing like that, but maybe a dedicated sensitivity of the brain or nerves.

Quick research on Excedrin says that it is used against headaches and migraine. Do you suffer from these? Some hum victims say they sometimes hear that lower, rumbling sound at around 20-30Hz, and then it causes them a drilling, pinching pain - or nose bleeding.

Have you tried like I did, white noise? And especially that one sound file I introduced on page 1? For me it worked wonders, it completely neutralised the hum of 100 Hz. The other white noise variations (rain, waves, wind), just drowned it to a certain degree, I found a balance where the volume was okay to sleep with, but the brain was not just fixiated ion thge humming. Actually, I liked it. But that spaceship ambience sound for me worked wonders. Last night I did not even use that one, since the hum currently is not to be heard at night, but over the day.

There are reports of people who need to travel 100s of km to escape the sound, while others take it with them where-ever they go. It seems I am affected by a localised source of the sound, to, as I described with my travel to Lengerich and Osnabrück. 30-35km north-east from where I live, the hum is gone. When I reversed direction from there, it came back.

Most people cannot hear it. Sensibility for it may build up with growing age, and then drop again with even higher age.

In some of the texts I linked earlier, there are many links in the text themselves to even further essays, articles, sites.

Jeff-Groves

04-06-17 04:19 PM

I rarely have head aches. I only us the PM version as it helps sleep.
And I only take them at home now and then.
I don't do any type drugs aside from the PMs and only drink a few beers now days.

I gave up trying to figure out the Hum a long time ago.
I know it's there and I can feel it as well as hear it. The Wife does not detect it in anyway.

I think it's those secret underground tunnels the Government has.
:haha:

Skybird

04-06-17 04:27 PM

If you can ignore it or live with it, then you are lucky. Many cannot. Good for ya! :salute:

Jeff-Groves

04-06-17 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2477261)

If you can ignore it or live with it, then you are lucky. Many cannot. Good for ya! :salute:

It still bothers me just knowing I can hear and feel it and no one else can.
I had a dog and she could hear it also. My other Dog didn't seem to notice and none of our cats seem to notice it.

I kind of set my mind at rest thinking it was the low frequency thing for Submarines. And being close to the Great Lakes maybe underground rivers carried this sound to me.

Skybird

04-06-17 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2477262)

HAARP and USN-ELF often get mentioned as possible explanations, but I have so far found nothing that could make me assume this is more than conspiration theory only. Even more so since many of those people listing these two explanations are not shy at all to also list quite esoteric, surreal theories as well. HAARP and ELF cannot ultimately be ruled out, but somehow both theories just do not flip that switch in my brain to make me a believer.

Skybird

04-06-17 04:53 PM

We sometimes notice that animals become nervous or swarms of birds fly up suddenly, hours, even days before a volcanic erruption, an earthquake, or a flooding event takes place. Of birds we know now that they can navigate by the magnetic field of the Earth, and that this is inheritable.

I wonder what kinds of hums these anmials maybe can hear, or what sensory input they perceive that we cannot imagine. Maybe us few hummers amongst the humans have just touched the tip of an iceberg, and we do not even know it.

Jeff-Groves

04-06-17 05:01 PM

I've taken comfort with my "hum" in my own way.
It's come to be my special thing when I get home from weeks or months away.
There are times when I get home and it's not there and I almost feel as if I'm not home.

Most times when I hear it? I repeat in my mind "It's time to visit the plains".
For some reason I have very vivid dreams after falling asleep VERY quickly then.

I've never talked about this before to anyone.

Skybird

04-06-17 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2477268)

Most hummers simply do not know that there are others like themselves. I read that some people are so desperate that the first time they learn others hear it too they burst in tears, in relief, some have a long journey behgind them, from doctor to doctor, from specilaist to specialist, and most if not all not believing them. Hummers still get often seen as people with psychic problems, tinnitus or some other health issues. My father hears it since years - I did not believe him, too. Until one month ago. And my mother - does not know what to think of it, she cannot hear it. But she now has two hummers in her family, not just one.

Myself, I hope that it goes away again. For some people, it is a thing of days only. For others, a thing of months, and then there are those for whom it lasts for years. Maybe I belong to the lucky ones.

You are glad that you can manage it sufficiently.

Fubar2Niner

04-07-17 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2477244)

That is not ironic. Environmental everday noises can drown it to some degree. If you googled and read for the matter you will see that many people hear it louder at night than during the day - at night, when the noise of the outside world is at a low.

If it is "electromagnetic hearing", then indeed the brain is "making the noise", in erratic interpretation of the as erratic electrical stimulation of the nerves or affected brain lobes. But generally speaking, one of the biggest differences between tinnitus and the hum is that tinnitus patients locate the subjective origin of the noise they hear as being as something inside their head or ear (in German, the public calls Tinnitus often "the little man in the ear"), where as the hum is described by the vast majority of people to be originating from a source located outside their body, from the environment. Often it is said it sounds like putting your head under water and then hearing a humming sound from from above the water surface - the sound then is outside yourself, but seems to come from everywhere.

Another description often used is "like the propeller of a very high flying drone". People do not want to say by this they b eloieve ther eis a flying drone overhead, they just mean the sound reminds them of this association, like they also compare to distant Diesels or heavy construction machines vibrating through the ground or through some walls, from long distance away (just that there are no Diesels or machines).

Could you use the Hertz videos by Sony at youtube to limit the range of how the sound is for you? As I said, for me it is exactly 100Hz. And it lasts for hours and hours, the first weeks at night, but since a few days mainly at day.

I do suffer from Tinnitus, however this is not what I would call the hum. My tinnitus is like a whooshing noise sometimes accompanied with a ringing. The hum I hear is definately not within my head, it is neither of the sounds I have described. I live in a comparatively quiet area. No heavy vehicles, machinery or such. I cannot explain this, and do not proffess to even understand it. This has been an ongoing thing as I said for some years. I will look into your youtube examples, not sure if my range will be good tho. Occupational partial deafness I'm afraid.

Best regards.

Fubar2Niner

Eichhörnchen

04-07-17 04:15 PM

Were you a heavy-metal drummer, Fubes?

Skybird

04-07-17 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fubar2Niner (Post 2477462)

As I said earlier, indeed the hum is not tinnitus, although it can coincide in a person, which seems to be the case with you. Most hummers however have no tinnitus, tinnitus seems to be not more present amongst others than amongst the not-humming population.

What it in the end is, this humming, nobody knows. All we have is a guessing game, sometimes with more and sometimes with less reasonable guesses.

Julhelm

04-07-17 04:30 PM

I hear the hum intermittently, but more often the lower 25hz rumble. I always assumed it has to do with mutual interference and perhaps local sound convergence. Buildings do bounce and funnel soundwaves to a noticeable degree - I live near an airfield and often you will pick up the sound of an aircraft from a completely different direction than he's coming from. And at some places in town, lawnmowers on the other side of town can be heard as if they were next door.

Skybird

04-07-17 04:49 PM

Yes, this is also often considered to be a cause, but it is unproven in most cases that were examined, it seems. The interference caused by house walls is noticed by some, while others deny it. Means: some people report they notice a variation in volume depending on how close to a wall they are, or how far upstairs, while others say changing their position in the house or room changes nothing in volume. Higher floors in a house seem to be more prone to "fetch" up the hum.

When I hear it, the volujme does not chnage no matter where in the room or house I am (this is three floors plus roof area and underground basement, five levels all in all) - it also is exactly the same sound volume when I leave the house and even go kilometers away. Only the ammount by which of the hum gets washed out by other environmetal sounds varies. Thats why it is the loudest at night, when everything else is silent. I think it has not changed volume then, only appears to be louder due to other noise not being present.

In general, note that the available material on the hum is limited, and inconsistent. It gets almost no academical interest.

Reece

04-07-17 08:03 PM

During WW2 many concrete bunkers, tunnels etc were constructed, at the end of the war the Nazi's went underground, that is why no one ever found Hitlers body. The noise is power generators running deep below the surface, when it is time they will emerge and the 4th Reich will begin.:yep:

Jeff-Groves

04-08-17 05:51 PM

Come on Reece! Everyone knows the Nazi's went to the Dark Side of the Moon!
They left Earth just after the Battle during Operation HighJump at the South Pole.
Sheeze.
:O:

Reece

04-09-17 03:35 AM

Oh yeh, I forgot about that!!:oops:

Skybird

09-09-21 08:40 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-58396698

Compare to what I wrote four years ago in the very first posting here:

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It can be technology-caused, but reports on people hearing a strange humming sound date back centuries already. In Britain it became known since the 50s, in America it was examined in depth in New Mexico in the town of Taos in the be late 80s (thus the phenomeneon often gets called as The Taos Hum), and since some years there even are live recordings of the sound in the air. This is critical, since there are as many explanations for accoustic wave sources as there are theories for electromagnetic wave sources. We know that some people can "hear'" the Aurora Borealis, some people can hear the entrance of meteors into the upper layers of Earth's atmosphere , both phenomenons produce immense quantums of electromagnetic energy that the human body may fetch up like an antenna would do - maybe with the nervous system or parts of the brain, both functioning bioelectrical, or with the skin. Accoustic waves can be received also by the bones of the human body, and the skin.

In the early sixties, a scientist at the Cornell university in New York demonstrated that people who since their birth had no aural nerves, could get accoucstic perceptions by exposing their brain to (harmless) electromagnetic waves. It got described as a cracking, chaotic rumbling sound. While maintainign the exposition, the perception could be interrupted when putting a plaster with I think metallic fibres on their foreheads, so that the exposition of the brain was reduced or completly blocked.

My own problem with the Hum has meanwhile ended once. I lied awake in bed, then raised early, and all of a sudden just within the hum, it was gone from one split second to the next, as if a switch had been flipped.

I know a man in my neighbourhood, who also heard it, mand my father. They too didnot hear it since that time.

However, it had gone on again last autumn, and then suddenly died off again in early spring this year. Same for my father.

I had always the idea that somehow our hightech and electrical environment has something to do with it.

Private attempts to clear this up, all faltered, the authorities refused to assist in any ways, the state governments that were adressed , actively hindred all such attempts where they could. AFAIK, in Germany all private organisations that formed up and tried to track it nation-wide, meanwhile have given up and switched off in frustration. Nobody knows, nobody talks about it, all and everybody ignore it as best as they can.

Scenarios I can imagine many, but necessarily they all are speculative.

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