Do tell? 2013 the systems was noted as needing repair.

Not that, I mean about painting California as a one stripe blue vs. red state and that just everyone that lives there bust be protesting for secession. It is a big state where pretty much any place away from the major urban centers is as red as any red state.

But in Oroville, it's an evacuation...in Calgary, it's a stampede!:D

Got ya! Yes, I understand the entire state is not for succession. Personally, I think talk of succession is disingenuous. TX talks about it like the weather. But, the sanctuary cities and the nose thumbing, does not sit well after shrugging off Trumps cutting of funding.

I recall seeing figures that indicated that Oroville voted Trump anyway, so like you say, it's all a bit more convoluted than it first looks.

Well, in the present moment, politics shouldn't have a seat at the table, they should be pushed aside until the crisis is over. The state is still part of the Union, and therefore has the right to federal assistance.

Saying 'I told ya so!' Does nothing to help the situation now. That is all for investigation after the fact.

What they need now is a way to rapidly secure the dam, and get these people back to their homes. We don't know what industries might be affected by these evacuations, and what effect that might have on global economies.

You might scoff at that notion, but the company of 300 people I work for, if they burned to the ground tomorrow, there would be a noticeable uptick in the global cost of chlorine within a month or so, and then a few months after that, an increase in petroleum and plastic costs.

It is far more important to find a point of blame, especially if it can be used for political purposes than actually trying to fix the problem.

That's the sad state of our political environment.

I imagine it is only a matter of time before 911 dispatchers start asking who people voted for before sending out the FD/EMS.

Tell that to Chris Christie as he hugged Obama after hurricane Sandy. Saying "stuff it where the sun don't shine", does not win and influence friends either. But hey, still part of the union so cut the check. Tomorrow the state will do what it can to discredit the current administration.

It is highly unlikely the town of Oroville will have a profound affect on the global economy. Please dispense with the melodramatics.

Further, the dam was said to need repair in 2013. The Feds said no. There you have it. It is not a case of "I told you so." It is a case of not addressing the problem 4 years ago.

For the vast majority of Californians, the whole secession issue is pretty much either ignored of treated as just another one of the many fringe lunacies that pop up from time to time. As was mentioned before, other states, notably Texas, have had such rumblings before, but they are hard to take seriously mainly because any serious attempt would face an uphill battle that would make Sisyphus look like an overachiever; the chances are nil and less than nil...

As far as CA asking for federal funds, the US pretty much needs CA a bit more than CA needs the US; CA ranks as the 6th largest economy in the world following the U.S., China, Japan, Germany and the United Kingdom, in that order. The only other state even close to CA's ranking is Texas, which ranks as 12th largest, mainly due to its petroleum industries. CA has a broad and diverse economy and is at the forefront of newer industries and enterprises such as digital technology and alternate energy research and application. When DC threatened to cut off federal funds to CA, the state government floated the idea of simply ceasing to pay the Feds their share of revenues accrued in CA and diverting the funds internally to the state; given that the amount of revenue normally sent to the Federal coffers significantly exceeds the federal funding sent back to CA, simple math would tell you who would be the loser if CA withheld revenues. After the idea of withholding was floated, the noise from DC about cutting Federal funds quieted down noticeably. Texas could learn from this: instead of continually threatening to secede from the US, just threaten the Feds where it hurts -- in the wallet...

Gargamel and Platapus are right; this crisis is not a time for politics. If any of the politicos at any level, local, state, or federal, think they are going to score brownie points for either themselves or their parties by turning this into another 'us vs. them' game, they may be in for a shock. The public outpouring of support for the plight of the more than 100,000 citizens evacuated and the 100s of thousands more who face harm if the dam fails goes across all political lines and holdings. I would not want to be the politician who seeks to profit from others misery. Fix first, argue later; and whoever or whatever is the most able to accomplish the fix the best in the least amount of time will be in a far better position, politically, and morally, to earn the trust of the citizens. We don't care who does it as long as it gets done and done right...

Here's a link to the latest from the LA Times:

http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...htmlstory.html



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Lets not go full Nagin.

Well, since I assume you have a complete census of every industrial or commercial facility affected by the evacuation, you would obviously know more than I.

...and Ray Nagin applies to this situation, how?...




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Maybe not Oroville, but a very significant amount of the water going to southern California come from that reservoir but it's OK because there are only surfers and movie stars there.

And from the link above and here.
https://letsgola.wordpress.com/2017/...-introduction/

...The SWP is an important source of water for SoCal, and Lake Oroville is the main reservoir. While popular conception hold that LA’s water comes from the east Sierra and Owens Valley via the LA Aqueduct, over the last 5 years, that facility has only delivered 29% of LA’s water. The SWP is the largest supplier of water to the city of LA, with 48% of LA’s water over the last 5 years coming from the SWP. So what happens at Lake Oroville is of interest to, well, anyone south of Lake Oroville...

...not to mention the loss of hydroelectric production:

http://sf.curbed.com/2017/2/13/14597...illway-failure

Along with agricultural loses, also...




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http://time.com/4671443/california-o...uation-lifted/

The water comes from snow pack to Lake Oroville and the dam releases the water to Feather River which leads to the Sacramento River ... after that I do not know where it goes.

Sacramento to San Francisco Bay perhaps?

The scale of the damage:

http://blogs.agu.org/landslideblog/2...ille-dam-site/

Precisely and fills my marina with silt and serious flotsam crud-One whole dock (of 7) is a carpet of sticks, driftwood and plants. The entire Carquinez Strait (portion of the Sacramento River leading to San Pablo Bay and the Bay/ Golden Gate to the Pacific Ocean) is a log-infested mess at he mouth of the Sacramento\Napa confluence as I found out first-hand last Thursday: the (only)sunny sailing day this last fortnight (the captain's a diehard!:oops:)I manned the bow with a large boat-hook at all times. I presume that Oroville's denizens will B better-prepared for the next evac with gas-tanks filled and snacks/clothes in the trunk to avoid the next exodus/Skedaddle jam.:yeah: http://www.mercurynews.com/wp-conten...3-04.jpg?w=810 I keep the outside-parked Corolla so stocked in case the garaged cars are trapped (no power to the rollup-door) and any 'quake damage requires a new abode-relocate on a moment's notice. SOP after Loma-Prieta and two damaging Napa tremors. ie: My whole street, incl the Cal-Fire chief across from me, knows where my gas-main wrench is(atop the meter) and the first one to it has the duty to prevent fires from gas line ruptures/leaks. We closed three houses after the last one and smelled gas from rupture 3" pipe under the sidewalk... one lot over from my property...adjacent to the street-length sewer which could then fill with explosive gas.:doh: PG&E was on it immediately.

BTW here is a short documentary about how they build the dam back in the day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyPkWlYlSC8

Very interesting "public service" video. After seeing it, and the long shots of the dam under normal conditions, you can see that the Feather River runs at a 90 degree angle from the dam and spillway, which was probably a contributing factor to the undercutting - no "free-flow" under high water conditions, so it "swirled" at the base...

So you can produce this census of every industrial or commercial facility affected?