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vienna 08-25-15 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2339311)
Well, the Asian markets have opened down, but not as far down as people were expecting, so hopefully there's not going to be a feedback loop of loss. Korea and Australian stock went up, but the Nikkei took a hit due to fears that the Chinese crisis will push up the value of the Yen, thus hitting exports.

Honestly, at times like this, I defer to the wisdom of George W. Bush:

"It's clearly a budget, it's got a lot of numbers in it."

:doh:

Was he, perhaps, looking at a train schedule?...


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AVGWarhawk 08-25-15 03:25 PM

Long over due market correction that was forecasted from the looks of it. What we will see is low cost stocks purchased by the truckload and sat on for the long term growth.

mapuc 08-25-15 03:52 PM

As long there are money, stocks and greedy people we will always have these economical crisis

Markus

Oberon 08-25-15 09:56 PM

Bubbles have been growing and bursting since the days of Tulip trading.
The amount of money involved in modern bubbles is pretty spectacular though. :o

swamprat69er 08-26-15 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2339195)
Damn, gold is sooooo looooow and I'm too broke to buy :/\\!!
Someday some fatcats will decide they bought enough gold and the price will go up so they can sell it and I won't be there :wah:

Buy silver instead. Poor mans gold.

Mr Quatro 08-27-15 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2339579)
Long over due market correction that was forecasted from the looks of it. What we will see is low cost stocks purchased by the truckload and sat on for the long term growth.

Yep! :yep: That's what they do (you know who they is , right?)

All they needed was an excuse to go into bunker down mode and wait for the bottom to drop below what they sold it for and then buy it back, but I don't think it's all that simple due to what if some other stock dropped way below it's actual market value then they have to decide what is going to make the strongest buy back.

Interesting game they play, but it takes that something special to know when to sell and when to buy.

Do they have automatic sells and automatic buys software?

Platapus 08-27-15 04:25 PM

One thing I feel confident about is that we can't fix the financial issue of the US quickly. Regardless of what some politician says.

It took us decades to get in to the situation, and it will probably take decades to get us out.

This country needs to commit itself to a multi-generation solution where spending and taxation can be adjusted while giving the economy time to stabilize with every incremental change.

The problem is that to a politician, the future is defined and bounded by the next election. Few politicians can think beyond that boundary. Since the budget comes from the House of Representatives, the future is 2 years as that is the length of a representative's term.

A politician is only interested in programs/plans that will result in a measurable benefit during their term so they can use that success to get re-elected.

No politician will approve a long term plan that may incur a short term disadvantage (cost) with a benefit that will occur in a future term... a term where the opposing party may be in office and therefore garner the benefit.

Hence, all we hear are short term "fixes" or worse idiotic grandiose plans for drastic changes.

We need a gradual, disciplined, well-thought out plan that offers a solution independent of political party but will be an American solution.

What politician will put the country before their party?

That's what is most frustrating for me. We have a way to fix our economic situation, but realistically, there is no way it will ever be implemented.

Rockstar 08-27-15 05:13 PM

Well, there is a way ....


Vote PLATAPUS DICTATOR FOR LIFE!

you must admit it does have a nice ring to it. :D

mapuc 08-27-15 05:28 PM

Have had this idea for years or so

I don't know how to put it on print

I'll try

Every country in the world is zeroed-Meaning the debt is cleared

It is of most important that before this is done-some international economical laws is made.

How, what and how many laws there has to be made I don't know. I don't know what should be in these laws.

My idea is that after a country is zeroed-they can not just go on the market and borrow billions of dollars/Euro or Lend other countries money.

I'm not an economist not even a lawyer. Just a simple idea

Markus

Oberon 08-27-15 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2340083)
Have had this idea for years or so

I don't know how to put it on print

I'll try

Every country in the world is zeroed-Meaning the debt is cleared

It is of most important that before this is done-some international economical laws is made.

How, what and how many laws there has to be made I don't know. I don't know what should be in these laws.

My idea is that after a country is zeroed-they can not just go on the market and borrow billions of dollars/Euro or Lend other countries money.

I'm not an economist not even a lawyer. Just a simple idea

Markus

Sadly, there's too many people profiting from other people being in debt for that to be a feasible option. Would be nice though and probably the only way that the world debt problem will ever be solved. Unfortunately it would probably also result in some pretty hefty hardships in poorer nations that require deficit spending in order to feed their people due to have a terrible GDP.

mapuc 08-27-15 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2340090)
Sadly, there's too many people profiting from other people being in debt for that to be a feasible option. Would be nice though and probably the only way that the world debt problem will ever be solved. Unfortunately it would probably also result in some pretty hefty hardships in poorer nations that require deficit spending in order to feed their people due to have a terrible GDP.

Thank you for your answer

You mentioned one thing I forgot

Countries with lower or terrible GDP-Well even here the laws has to protect these countries-how this should be made-I don't know

And a thing I forgot

Profiting-Same here-these laws shall be made to prevent these people to profiting on other people-Don't know how to explain it.

Let me give an example instead.

A company hire some foreigner to work in their factory-they get just barely enough so they have food for the day and they have to live together many in a small apartment ´cause they wouldn't have enough to pay a rent by them self. The different, between the salary and the price the company takes for its product-the company owner take for them self.

That is profiting on other people or some of it-there are many ways to do so.

Markus

STEED 08-29-15 04:39 AM

Panic over business as normal or as they would say what panic where?

Jimbuna 08-29-15 09:33 AM

Many will have lost out but many will have grasped the recent opportunities on offer and made substantial gains.

Onkel Neal 08-29-15 01:10 PM

I'm hoping for a few more corrections. I just sold my Pearland house, would love a buying bargain in the next three months.

Aktungbby 08-29-15 01:38 PM

In god we trust?? 'Francly' I'm dubious
 
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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2340434)
Many will have lost out but many will have grasped the recent opportunities on offer and made substantial gains.

Exactly; in settling my dad's decade-old portion of my mom's trust-mostly bonds and Coca Cola/conservative stuff, the market downturn, essentially a profit taking quick dump, would have saved capital gains on his 12 year's gains in value and avoided what a consider 'double taxation' w/o throwing in the the chronic devaluation of the dollar:...essentially printed paper to begin with. The recovery has taken that window of opportunity away...again. No problem: I'll just sit tight till they devalue the Yuan again. What is the non-gold backed dollar worth? is my biggest worry and 23 countries-no longer backing their currency with dollars-agree with me. I regard the stock market as essentially a giant government-run casino; it and the dollar are not reliable.:damn: Plan A:hmmm:: convert all to Swiss francs and move to Canada:yeah: Eh!
http://www.foxnews24x7.com/2013/04/10-most-expensive-currency-in-world.html

Oberon 08-29-15 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2340469)
I'm hoping for a few more corrections. I just sold my Pearland house, would love a buying bargain in the next three months.

It's rare the bloody things come down, isn't it? Good if you're selling but trying to get back into the market at a decent level for the money... :dead:
Prices in the UK are getting a bit ridiculous now, pricing a lot of people out of the market, one would hope that this would bring them down but what happens instead is that the ones in ideal locations such as in holiday towns by the seaside get snapped up by holiday companies and rented out as holiday homes. :/\\!! Thus driving any youth out of the area. :/\\!!

Still, that's the system for you, if people can make $138k out of a former broom cupboard measuring 10ft by 8ft, or $261k for a 11ft by 7ft janitors storeroom, then they're not exactly going to stop are they?

Betonov 08-29-15 02:19 PM

Slovenia is even worse off.
According to a research done there's enough apartments in Slovenia to house a 3 million population (current is 2 million) and people still live with their parents because a one room apartment is rented for a third on an average wage and companies go bust because lowering the rent to fill the places is preposterous. Better to sink than have lower than the pre-2008 projected profit. :/\\!! Bunch of mooorooooons, idiocracy.

Onkel Neal 08-29-15 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2340486)
It's rare the bloody things come down, isn't it? Good if you're selling but trying to get back into the market at a decent level for the money... :dead:
Prices in the UK are getting a bit ridiculous now, pricing a lot of people out of the market, one would hope that this would bring them down but what happens instead is that the ones in ideal locations such as in holiday towns by the seaside get snapped up by holiday companies and rented out as holiday homes. :/\\!! Thus driving any youth out of the area. :/\\!!

Still, that's the system for you, if people can make $138k out of a former broom cupboard measuring 10ft by 8ft, or $261k for a 11ft by 7ft janitors storeroom, then they're not exactly going to stop are they?

You're right, they won't stop. I don't blame them. When I stopped by a realtor earlier this year to get their take on homes selling in my area, I was shocked when I learned the local housing market is going wild. No wonder renters in the area cannot find a house (other than apartments, there are plenty of them). My current renter at the time was paying me about $300 under market. And he was chronically late, often 3 weeks at a time, and bounced two checks. He had no excuse, he made plenty of money (more than me), he just took advantage of my good nature. He had no shortage of toys (motorcycle, expensive tools, new truck, etc). When I discovered that my house had increased in value 40% in the last ten years, I gave him 30 days notice and sold it.

The thing is, house prices were high when I was his age. They are always high. In proportion to his salary, he could afford to buy, if he would be frugal and save a bit. All I can say is, if others can manage, so can youth. I would suggest giving up any thought of living on the seaside, that's for established, mature buyers. Find something that is a good value, invest in the equity, and stick with it. :03: Like you said, it's rare things come down, so get in and eventually you will be the seller.

Oberon 08-29-15 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2340502)
You're right, they won't stop. I don't blame them. When I stopped by a realtor earlier this year to get their take on homes selling in my area, I was shocked when I learned the local housing market is going wild. No wonder renters in the area cannot find a house (other than apartments, there are plenty of them). My current renter at the time was paying me about $300 under market. And he was chronically late, often 3 weeks at a time, and bounced two checks. He had no excuse, he made plenty of money (more than me), he just took advantage of my good nature. He had no shortage of toys (motorcycle, expensive tools, new truck, etc). When I discovered that my house had increased in value 40% in the last ten years, I gave him 30 days notice and sold it.

The thing is, house prices were high when I was his age. They are always high. In proportion to his salary, he could afford to buy, if he would be frugal and save a bit. All I can say is, if others can manage, so can youth. I would suggest giving up any thought of living on the seaside, that's for established, mature buyers. Find something that is a good value, invest in the equity, and stick with it. :03: Like you said, it's rare things come down, so get in and eventually you will be the seller.

The trouble with their runaway profits is that eventually you create a bubble so large that when it bursts it takes half the country with it.

If others can manage so can youth is somewhat of a generalisation isn't it, and I think if you look into it you might well find that the ratio of house price to pay is somewhat different than when you were young.
Take a look at the findings from 'RealityTrac' in March this year, they found that in the US house prices had increased over a two year period at a rate of over 16% greater than the average wage had. In fact in 76% of markets in the US, house price growth outpaces wage growth.
You are correct in what you say about finding cheaper house prices in certain areas, and unfortunately this is skewing the average age of householders in certain areas in ways that I believe will be detrimental in the long term to certain places. For example, a seaside tourist town will often consist of retirees, second home owners and businesses. The working youth have to travel into the town from areas around in order to supply services to the retirees, second home owners and businesses. This increases traffic which is already busy in summer periods because of the second home owners and tourist trade, and also leads to a situation where in winter the town depopulates dramatically.
Some how it still works, at the moment, but in my opinion it's not that healthy at all, and I honestly believe that it should be a persons right to live where he or she wants to, so if someone wants to stay near the place of their birth or near their parents they should be able to do so.

Still, that stuff is for people that can plan their future I guess. :haha:

Politenessman 08-29-15 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2340095)
Thank you for your answer

Profiting-Same here-these laws shall be made to prevent these people to profiting on other people-Don't know how to explain it.

Let me give an example instead.

A company hire some foreigner to work in their factory-they get just barely enough so they have food for the day and they have to live together many in a small apartment ´cause they wouldn't have enough to pay a rent by them self. The different, between the salary and the price the company takes for its product-the company owner take for them self.

That is profiting on other people or some of it-there are many ways to do so.

Markus

The problem with your idea Markus (as I understand it), is that it gives the company owner no incentive to own and operate a company, he is better off spending all his money on himself and creating few jobs in doing so.

The only thing worse than capitalism is everything else.


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