Well, first i trust globalresearch a bit more than others, but not necessarily this one :D
Second please read the last line(s) of my post
thanks.

You can paint a skunk pink.
But that don't make it a My Little Pony.
It still stinks.

Where's your imagination ?

Markus

Locked on the Fruit Salad.

Read the thread title. It screams "Tin Foil Hat Area".

Years ago I said a space shuttle would blow up someday. Then one did.
Does that make me a psychic? No.
So some dude broke a story that was true. Does that make everything he writes from then on true? No.
Read everything in this thread and tell me it's not a Foil hat load of hot air.

Hard proof or it's people with motives and mirror trickery.
Kind of like the Big Mac I get at McDonalds never looks like the one on TV!

I don't care how or who killed him. Just glad he is dead! As far as this author is concerned, why does he use unnamed sources all the time? But its got to be true, Obama lied, just ask the unnamed sources,LOL

Ask the right people? Osama is living with Hitler somewhere.
And Elvis is signing for them as Jim Hendrix plays the guitar.
:har:

The issue is not whether the US was right to go after OBL, that is a given.

But if Hersh's version is true, it casts everything in a different light.

There were always problems with the official story that bugged me.

for example:

1. If OBL was in Pakistan incognito, why did he hide in Abbottabad less than 1 mile from a Pakistani military acadamy? seems like a stupid move. OTOH, if he was being guarded by the Pakistanis, as Hersh claims, then the location of his compound makes sense.

2. Why did Obama order a high risk raid risking the lives of 30 SEAL member and invading Pakistan just on the off chance OBL might be in the compound? That always struck me as being out of character for him. OTOH, it makes absolute sense if the Pakistanis gave the green light for the raid to go ahead, confirmed OBL was there and pulled all the guards out before the SEAL team landed.

Under the official version, you have a brave President ordering a high risk mission to capture OBL, you have 30 brave SEAL members risking their lives and fighting their way through OBL's bodyguards to get the target. That is "Zero Dark Thirty"!

Under the Hersh version, 30 heavily armed men are sent to an undefended target to shoot unarmed men and they still manage to crash a helicopter. Meanwhile the U.S. president decides to renege on his deal with Pakistan to get the maximum political benefit out of the story. :hmmm: hmm, does not sound as heroic, does it?

Yeah, thats kinds how I feel about it. Unless UBL is still alive I don't really care.

Why would anyone assume that the news media would even have, no less report everything on what was, and still is, a very sensitive military operation?

I am sure that there are a lot of things about the UBL raid that have not been cleared for public release.... some of the stuff may never be cleared for public release.

Governments lie about sensitive military and intelligence operations. Not exactly shocking news.

However, in breaking news, UBL is still dead. :up:

I can by reading my american friends post on FB, see wether they believe Obama or Seymour is right.

Friends who are pro-Obama, they say Seymour is...

those who are -not-so-pro Obama they say Seymour is...

It's all depend on whatever political belief a person has. That is my conclusion.

Markus

He's scheduled to lead the Zombie Apocalypse that's coming I heard.
:har:

I always thought the burial at seafood was a nice touch.

http://pyxis.homestead.com/Sharks.gif

I wonder what happened to the guy who was going to mount an expedition at sea to try and find bin Laden's body. You'd probably stumble across a Malaysian Air jet first.

Unfortunetaly these days party politics is what all arguments seem to revolve around. Besides battling over wether the party was the sole crusader for truth justice and the american way or liar liar pants on fire.

If what Hersch wrote is true and it got out the Pakistanis were knowingly hiding, aiding and protecting Bin Laden, crap would have hit the fan. Raising questions like why the U.S. hasnt declared Pakistan a terrorist state for aiding our enemy and why is the U.S. allied with them?

UBL is dead and as far as Im concerned thats all what matters now.

yes, if Hersh's version is true, it raises a lot of problems not just for Pakistan, but Saudi Arabia as well:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour...sama-bin-laden

If, if and if.

Hersh has been critized number of times in the past for using unnamed sources which cannot be confirmed.

So, at best, this is just a rumour.

I had a SEAL tell me it's all lies.
I kind of doubt what he told me seeing as he lives in the Toledo Zoo.
:hmmm:

I agree on some of my friends OBL is dead how it was done is not important.

I found this article interesting therefor I posted it here at Subsim, where I knew many American and people with some military knowledge are gathered

I find it interesting that some people is going after the two main person instead of the story.

Had hope for things like:
The story is true/not true, because....

Markus

It still comes down to who or what you believe.
Is this person or that person telling stories and why?
All I ask for his hard proof one way or the other.
I don't believe everything the U.S. Gov tells me but I also doubt the other sources.
I have a simple rule.
If it looks like nut bags thought the whole thing up? It probably was.

OBL was financed by Saudi Arabia all the time, if they bribed or blackmailed pakistani officials or whoever does not matter, this is all business as usual. Before that Osama was also financed by the US, as long as he acted as a terrorist against the Soviet Union, in Afghanistan.

So why then has the US such good relations with Saudi Arabia? A country that is famous for breeding the worst islamic hardliners, supports terrorism, uses slaves, where women have no rights, and gives a s. to any values the west proclaims it has?

Oh yes the west including Germany builds hotels there, a lot of money is always the excuse, isn't it.
What else than oil and influence to hold others in the middle east in check, could be the answer?

Who does Saudi Arabia currently finance, in the terrorist world?

Of course Bin Laden is dead, they shot him on sight, no more questions.
Imagine he would have been questioned officially, openly, publicly, in a court room?
As it is now, the case is (conveniently) closed :smug:

A military question

Can a group of Navy Seals "invade" a country while it's military is at standard alert(don't know the correct word for it) without being detected ?

I presume the military in Pakistan was not in some high alert mode at that time.

Markus

It's what SEALS and other covert Units train for.
So Yes.
You can't build a wall big enuff to keep the determined out.
That's why they have fences around grave yards.
People are dieing to get in!