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ikalugin 12-18-14 01:07 AM

I already own a rifle chambered for the 9.3*62 round for what is normal hunting ranges here. What I am looking for is a modern (not historic, so please no mossins) long range rifle.

From what I gather .338 Lapua is about the best calibre one could have for that task, but how does the recoil compare to my 9.3*62?

d@rk51d3 12-18-14 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2269572)
How about a good ol' fashion tried an proven Henry 45/70 lever action.

Thinking of doing the same, myself.
Marlin 1895 SBL.... or maybe a plain guide, and add a saddle ring safety delete.:cool:

Buddahaid 12-18-14 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2269569)
Maybe you should get the "rifle the won the war"

http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads...d1-300x158.jpg
M1 Garand 30.06 8 shot semi auto

Is that yours? I'm in envy.... :yeah:

Oberon 12-18-14 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2269569)
Maybe you should get the "rifle the won the war"

http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads...d1-300x158.jpg
M1 Garand 30.06 8 shot semi auto

I think that might come under the automatic law that he mentioned earlier. Otherwise that or the M14 would have been in my suggestion list, especially the M14, good solid rifle that. :yep:

ikalugin 12-18-14 07:44 AM

Semi automatic is fine - for example you could but the civilian SVD equivalent here.

Wolferz 12-18-14 08:34 AM

The AK-47 has plenty of stopping power doesn't it?:03:

ikalugin 12-18-14 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz (Post 2269664)
The AK-47 has plenty of stopping power doesn't it?:03:

Have you ever seen in person and AK model 1947?

And no, they are different weapons with the SVD and the AK tends to be automatic, thus possessing it requires a special license.

Oberon 12-18-14 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2269655)
Semi automatic is fine - for example you could but the civilian SVD equivalent here.

Oh, in that case, M14, about a solid a rifle as you could wish for, good size calibre, good stopping power too.

Over to our man on the scene, the Gunny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdcyaIyMHBM

Wolferz 12-18-14 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2269726)
Have you ever seen in person and AK model 1947?

And no, they are different weapons with the SVD and the AK tends to be automatic, thus possessing it requires a special license.

I've only seen and shot a Chinese made knockoff. It was only semi-automatic. Russian made 7.62 ammo was readily available here in the states.

I won't advise you to get one of those because they tend to cook off rounds left in the chamber after the weapon has been fired just a few times.:huh:

I hunt with a British Blonde Stock .303 with a scope.:shucks:

Oberon 12-18-14 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz (Post 2269742)
tend to cook off rounds left in the chamber after the weapon has been fired just a few times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp6YthxqjBM

:haha:

Stealhead 12-18-14 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2269599)
I already own a rifle chambered for the 9.3*62 round for what is normal hunting ranges here. What I am looking for is a modern (not historic, so please no mossins) long range rifle.

From what I gather .338 Lapua is about the best calibre one could have for that task, but how does the recoil compare to my 9.3*62?


9.3x62(232~292gr) is larger than .338(8.6x70 and 200~300gr) so recoil I'd say in the same ballpark with the .338 being a bit softer.

Wolferz 12-19-14 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2269746)

"Allah hu AKBAR!"

Would've been funnier if there had been blood.:up::haha:

Red October1984 12-19-14 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2269648)
I think that might come under the automatic law that he mentioned earlier. Otherwise that or the M14 would have been in my suggestion list, especially the M14, good solid rifle that. :yep:

Friend of mine has an M1...i witnessed him shoot a deer with it in November. Very very nice gun...he just hasn't let me take it for a spin yet. :doh:

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2269726)
Have you ever seen in person and AK model 1947?

And no, they are different weapons with the SVD and the AK tends to be automatic, thus possessing it requires a special license.

My family has an AK.... :hmmm: No special license required. Unless you're in California maybe...they run about 500$ here and they're very very fun to shoot.

ikalugin 12-19-14 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2269844)
9.3x62(232~292gr) is larger than .338(8.6x70 and 200~300gr) so recoil I'd say in the same ballpark with the .338 being a bit softer.

Thanks for the constructive input.

In the end I have decided to get the .300 win magnum and then maybe get a heavier .338 Lapua at some later point if I still need better range performance.

ikalugin 12-19-14 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 2269930)
Friend of mine has an M1...i witnessed him shoot a deer with it in November. Very very nice gun...he just hasn't let me take it for a spin yet. :doh:



My family has an AK.... :hmmm: No special license required. Unless you're in California maybe...they run about 500$ here and they're very very fun to shoot.

Captain obvious says that I live in Moscow, Russia.

Red October1984 12-19-14 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2269946)
Captain obvious says that I live in Moscow, Russia.

And that's fine. :yeah: I know exactly nothing about your gun legislation over there. I'll admit it.

Betonov 12-19-14 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 2270034)
And that's fine. :yeah: I know exactly nothing about your gun legislation over there. I'll admit it.

it's something between yours and ours :03:

ikalugin 12-20-14 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984 (Post 2270034)
And that's fine. :yeah: I know exactly nothing about your gun legislation over there. I'll admit it.

Well it is fairly simple, ie:
- any reasonable man (who does not suffer from mental issues and does not have a criminal record) could own a defence fire arm (ie a PM with rubber bullets).
- any reasonable man with hunting license can arm a smooth, full length barrel, manually reloaded or semi auto shotgun (no saw offs, as they can be used as concealed weapons).
- after some period (forgot what it was) of good usage that person could procure a full length, manually reloaded or semi auto rifle.

You also need to register your firearm, have a proper storing location for it (an armoury or safe), store ammo separately and so on and so forth. You are also not allowed to have full metal jacket munitions I think.

Automatic or what could be viewed as combat firearms are allowed for specially licensed security companies or the PMCs.

August 12-20-14 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2269602)
Automatic or what could be viewed as combat firearms are allowed for specially licensed security companies or the PMCs.

Interesting Over here in the land of the "free" we can purchase and (legally) own a full automatic firearm only if we pass an extensive FBI background check that takes several months and pay several hundred dollars in tax. The state government in question may also require a permit/tax for possession as well.

In addition the owner must surrender his 4th amendment right to privacy by giving the government standing permission to enter his home without a warrant in order to check that the firearm is still in his possession and is stored correctly. There are also restrictions on crossing state lines and a raft of other regulations and requirements to comply with. In short as much a pain in the posterior as they can make it without outright banning ownership.

ikalugin 12-23-14 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2270300)
Interesting Over here in the land of the "free" we can purchase and (legally) own a full automatic firearm only if we pass an extensive FBI background check that takes several months and pay several hundred dollars in tax. The state government in question may also require a permit/tax for possession as well.

In addition the owner must surrender his 4th amendment right to privacy by giving the government standing permission to enter his home without a warrant in order to check that the firearm is still in his possession and is stored correctly. There are also restrictions on crossing state lines and a raft of other regulations and requirements to comply with. In short as much a pain in the posterior as they can make it without outright banning ownership.

We sort of have this for the hunting fire arms (though the measures are similar they are not as thorough), the combat ones are only permitted as service arms for the security companies and PMCs, requiring special license (for the company) and special training/certification for the user.

Thus it makes having a combat fire arm technically possible in Russia, but very, very difficult.


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