Well that's a little disingenuous I think, August. Still correct though. The Kurds have the advantage of being relatively unaffected by the unnecessarily divisive Maliki government, meaning they're better equipped to act in unison than the disastrous Iraqi army.

It remains to be seen whether the new Iraqi government can avoid the mistakes of the previous one regarding national unity and cohesive military operations. Strangely enough the same can be said for the Afghan government.

Regarding IS, who knows. The counter-human demands a response, unfortunately they have arisen in a situation that can have no winners, yet one that punishes disengagement even more harshly.

Don't care what you trace them back to, but what and where they stand now. I could trace you back to......how far in the evolution process should we go.:O:

Baby steps Tribes, we've managed to go from 'all Muslims are evil' to 'Actually, those Muslims are alright'. I'd call that progress...

Are you talking about me? Care to show me where I have said anything like that?

Not you. :03: The mood of the board in general though.

Stop Kurding around....

Reminds me when a BBC newsreader got a little confused when referring to Turkish Kurds...getting the first letter of each word mixed. :hmmm: :03:

I've never said all Muslims are evil, I said Islam based on it books is evil and that radical groups actually give us a pure true version of Islam. It's been the same with most religions, but most have reformed. While the Kurds are made up of numerous religions, they are mostly Muslim. The issue is we really don't have good players, we have bad and worse and right now the Kurds fighting IS is the better choice.

The better choice would be to let the Muslims continue to keep killing each other in mass and not take sides, but they all seem to enjoy supporting terror against the world in one form or the other and of course they sit on a lot of oil.
As long as we defend Israel, we'll be involved there.

The reason that ISIS feels so free to kill other Muslims is that they believe anybody who doesn't follow their particular fundamentalist flavor of Islam isn't a Muslim, but an infidel, or even worse, an apostate. And therefore free game.

It's basically the "No True Scotsman" fallacy on all sides, but with the added bonus of suicide bombings and beheadings.

It seems to me that a believer of any faith who feels the need to hasten God's judgment is saying deep down they don't trust God to do the job properly or soon enough. Which you would think would annoy God no end.

Can't quote on this Chromebook for some reason, so these two.

I've never said Islam can't be reformed, I've always said that is the goal. Yes, based on it's books and teachings....it is evil. Even at it's best, it hardly allows civil rights. Fact is, overall, I don't see a lot of moderates, cept those that use Islam as more a devotional way in secular nations like the US.


"Which Kurds?" any Kurd killing IS......how can I be more clear?

Yep, that's what I said...:up: Right now one set is better than the other...:yeah:

That's your opinion, not mine.....and personally, I've never tasted your opinion, but I'll take your word on it that it's unpalatable like crap....

Here you go again, putting words in my mouth based on what you think I believe.

So, where did I say they were all the same? I, in fact agreed with you they're not, bad and worse, but I prefer the ones killing IS. They're numerous sects of Kurds that don't follow Islam....and they've got some bad arse women fighters....a ticket s8 to hell to be killed by one, ...so they say.

I believe the US does list some Kurdish groups as terrorist, but I don't recall one ever planning to attack the US. Not saying one doesn't exist.....does it?

A Kurdish group in southern Turkey known as the PKK has targeted and killed US service members serving in Turkey in the past. Last kill was USAF MSGT they put a bomb on the drive of his truck a wire was connected to the drive shaft as the truck drove it pulled arming pin. Happened in the late 90's. Had to be careful off base where you went. Actually got saved from trouble myself once by a friendly Kurd in Turkey.

Couldn't find anything on this, but Turkey and the Kurds, mainly PKK have been going at it for a long time. However, I've never heard of a Kurdish group promoting the destruction of the US through terror. I think now the PKK are fighting IS, while Turkey, a member of NATO aren't doing crap....and we know why.

Interesting war concepts going on in the ME, being both allied and enemy with differing groups...

Meanwhile, the air campaign ain't doing a thing. IS reported about 8 miles from Baghdad. Screw it, let them have at it.....

Well it is true. On several occations in 2000 and 2001 the threat condtion at US bases both Germany and Turkey was raised to actionable intel that PKK might attack. Spent over four years in Germany and did several TDY to Incrilk(our major air base in TK).
The PKK is one of the groups fighting ISIL dose that make them trustworthy? I think not.

No, I understand the PKK being at war with Turkey and us being an ally of Turkey certainly put us in harms way.....in Turkey. My point, what Kurdish terror group has stated it's at war with America?

For the most part, it seems America will be at war with those in power in the ME. We support groups fighting these powers, if they win, then they become the cruel unjust power that we fight. We can't solve this complex religious war. It seems it serves our interest to keep them warring with each other. I'm not saying we're the cause of it, they're gonna fight regardless. but we pick sides. We need to start embracing the cruel dictators like Saddam and work with them. Eventually we're gonna see a major war involving the world, just a matter of time...

Have they attacked America? Heard of numerous sects, so many hard to keep up with them all. I thought they split into two groups, but IDK....Right now we have to fight IS, least help them fight each other. We've already armed IS and the Iraqi army, now we need to arm the Kurds the same. Make it fair. Then we can deal with what's left....