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Subnuts 10-21-14 09:06 PM

Whew, good thing he was a celebrity. :smug:

vanjast 10-22-14 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei! (Post 2254087)
Parents happy with the sentence?

WTF? Funny that.

The problem was that the prosecution went after the wrong charges, 'Intent'. This was impossible to prove, without and admittance from Oscar and he certainly was not going to do that.

They should have gone for what he admitted to, killing her accidental or not. It would have been an open and shut case, and the sentence probably would have been harsher... but now we have rich 'Hollywood lawyers' and I'm sure they're happy either way.
:nope:

Jimbuna 10-22-14 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vanjast (Post 2253995)
Jim... your son's friend is correct about the corruption, etc..

Looks like he was....I'd like to meet him again and ask his opinion of the verdict but whilst my son is currently on study leave, his friend (Jan) is on a ship half a world (literally) away.

BossMark 10-23-14 02:58 AM

Just when Oscar Pistotius thought it couldn't get any worse.

He gets allocated the top bunk.

Von Tonner 10-23-14 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2254140)
Looks like he was....I'd like to meet him again and ask his opinion of the verdict but whilst my son is currently on study leave, his friend (Jan) is on a ship half a world (literally) away.

I am not saying there was no corruption. But to make the claim or assert there was please eloborate where this corruption took place.

Gerrie Nel, the prosecutor in this case was himself arrested one night in front of his family and thrown in jail on trumped up charges by the state. I cannot see a man of his stature ever condoning or turning a blind eye to injustice. Nor have I read anything that would make suspect the integrity of Judge Masipa. I do not agree with some of her findings but that does not mean she is corrupt.

The thing that I have come to realise in this case is what a former Supreme Court Judge said after sentencing. "Oscar's worst nightmares have been realised"

Now think about that statement and replace Oscar with a hardened individual with absolutely no regard for human life or jail time. In other words, the life outside of a prison is far worse. No meals, no medical, no recreation, no roof over his head - in short - he lives in the gutter and knows no other type of quality of life. Such a sentence would mean absolutely peanuts to him for the same crime.

But to the cloistered, high life-style, and comfort zone that Oscar is accustomed to - even two months is hardship - let alone 5 years

I believe Oscar is a dangerous person. He is extremely egotistical, huge self - importance, arrogant sense of entitlement which, together with many other unsavoury personality traits makes him his own worst enemy.

While I believe there has been a travesty of justice in the sentence handed down and in the penalty accorded, (not because of any so called corruption of the judicial process) this guy will not at all appreciate the benefit of doubt that has been accorded to him and will, in his arrogance, fall foul of the law once again. I just hope no one gets hurt in the process.

Jimbuna 10-23-14 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner (Post 2254567)
I am not saying there was no corruption. But to make the claim or assert there was please eloborate where this corruption took place.

I think the best person to ask that of is the individual who originally made the statement...wherever he might be 'work wise'.

vanjast 10-23-14 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner (Post 2254567)
I am not saying there was no corruption. But to make the claim or assert there was please eloborate where this corruption took place.

From experience, the corruption becomes evident over time. To try say prove it now is obviously a near impossibility... but from past experience of the South African, or any African system, it's more or less guaranteed :03:

BossMark 10-24-14 06:54 AM

Oscar Pistorius is so depressed in the prison hospital wing, he's been put on suicide watch.

Whenever he goes to the bathroom, a nurse knocks on the door to check he's okay.

Talk about rubbing it in.

Von Tonner 10-24-14 10:05 AM

It looks ever increasing like an appeal is coming.

Witwatersrand University law Prof James Grant has been approached by the prosecutor in the case Gerrie Nel on advice on an appeal.

"In my view... that judgment isn't very well reasoned and I also don't think it would stand up to constitutional scrutiny," Wits law professor James Grant said.

Grant said prosecutor Gerrie Nel had asked for his advice on whether the State should appeal.

"I can confirm Advocate Nel has consulted me for advice and assistance if he appeals. I have advised that he should appeal and agreed to assist," he wrote earlier on social networking site Twitter.

He said Nel and the NPA had yet to decide whether to appeal.

"No doubt many other people are also being consulted and many things considered," Grant said in another tweet.
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Os...gn=Newsletters

Jimbuna 10-26-14 06:28 AM

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However, the State could encounter a "hurdle" because of the Supreme Court of Appeal case, State vs Seekoei, which limited the State's right of appeal.

The 1982 Seekoei case held that the State could not appeal if a conviction was made on a competent verdict.

"It [the Pistorius judgment] was a competent verdict, he was acquitted of murder and convicted on a competent verdict," Grant said.
Not so straightforward then :hmmm:

Von Tonner 10-27-14 12:36 PM

No surprises. An appeal on verdict, sentence and on the acquittal of possession of ammunition. That should keep the little turd awake at night if nothing else does. Apparently he is short of 10 million rand's on his legal bill with no prospects of settling it.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Os...gn=Newsletters

Platapus 10-28-14 06:51 PM

I hope they put a garnishment of future monies against him. We don't want Oscar to write a book "how I did it" and keep the profits.

Actually, living the rest of his life in poverty would be a good punishment for him. Every single day of his life he can think of everything he blew away... including his GF.

vanjast 10-29-14 12:50 AM

Agreed...
He will write a book as he, unbelievably, still has a lot of fans, and the media are hoe's to this type of thing.

From what my outlaws said, is that he seems very arrogant, and some woman just fall for him..even now. :o

According to the latest sunday paper, Reeva's mom said that Reeva never had sex with oscar, and was going to break up with him. This may be mother/daughter confidentiality, mother's wishful thinking, or newspaper sensationalism, but in any case it could very well be the underlying cause of what transpired.

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August 10-29-14 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2256174)
I hope they put a garnishment of future monies against him. We don't want Oscar to write a book "how I did it" and keep the profits.

Actually, living the rest of his life in poverty would be a good punishment for him. Every single day of his life he can think of everything he blew away... including his GF.

You mean like "If I Did It" by OJ Simpson? I don't think he got any profits though...


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