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Wolferz 08-27-14 03:40 PM

Captain Hindsight...
 
Is working overtime today.:nope:

Platapus 08-27-14 03:46 PM

By what logic would any parent allow their 9 year old to fire a automatic weapon? Really?

I am just glad that no one else got hurt.

Wolferz 08-27-14 04:01 PM

Add the Omaha police to the list...
 
They can't tell an airsoft pistol from a real one and they like to shoot film crew from the Cops TV show. Oh, they also like pumping a suspected robber full of lead, even after he's down:hmmm:
.http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/co...olice-shooting

Nippelspanner 08-27-14 04:13 PM

What's all the fuss?
She probably just defended herself...

Wolferz 08-27-14 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner (Post 2236963)
What's all the fuss?
She probably just defended herself...


You could be right. If I'm not mistaken, it did appear that the instructor was fondling her tush when he was getting her into position to shoot.
YMMV

Tribesman 08-27-14 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2236954)
By what logic would any parent allow their 9 year old to fire a automatic weapon? Really?

It depends on the situation.
Lets say as an example two fathers take 3 kids , two aged 9 and one aged 11 to a rather nice gun range to use one fathers guns.
The kids get to fire off some 5 round bursts in a prone position from a secured bipod mounted automatic weapon.
Is that logic a hell of a lot safer than just pulling the trigger standing with an Uzi.

Platapus 08-27-14 07:39 PM

I can understand teaching a kid how to handle a single fire weapon or even a single action weapon to learn how to handle weapons safely.

But a fully automatic with a 9 year old..... Just not getting it.

I was 19 before I fired my first automatic weapon. I was in the military and I was pretty intimidated despite several years experience with semi-automatics.

Stealhead 08-27-14 09:07 PM

Pretty foolish I think allowing a 9 year old to fire an Uzi straight up. Now in all reality there are child soldiers firing AK-47s so a 9 year old could be trained to shoot an Uzi properly. Not that I am advocating such a thing or child soldiers but apparently African warlords have seen fit to do so.


The mistake was to allow a person lacking any experience to fire a fully automatic weapon. Even for an adult that could be a bad idea. Such a thing would be a very bad idea with an Uzi which has a high rate of fire the one in the picture looks like a Mini-Uzi which has a ROF of 900 RPM that's several rounds with one trigger pull.

Seems like I recall a similar accident involving a child and an UZI in which the child was hit and killed when the weapon turned upwards in the child's hands.

Armistead 08-27-14 09:27 PM

I had guns at age nine, a 20 gauge single barrel and 30/30 rifle, but we were raised and trained even at that age and an adult with us when hunting. A 9 year old with an Uzi is beyond stupid..

Stealhead 08-27-14 09:45 PM

Well the thing is it was not a nine year old with an Uzi. It was an adult who was supposed to know how to instruct others in the safe use of firearms allowing a nine year old to fire a fully automatic weapon.


Like I said though child soldiers some younger than nine have used automatic weapons before so it can be done.

Buddahaid 08-27-14 10:57 PM

Very tragic and I wouldn't be so quick to judge knowing nothing about any of the people involved. I do hope the young lady gets through this OK.

Tribesman 08-28-14 01:59 AM

Quote:

Seems like I recall a similar accident involving a child and an UZI in which the child was hit and killed when the weapon turned upwards in the child's hands.
You mean this one/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-chri...ry?id=12565132

Maltadog 08-28-14 04:34 AM

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictur...1c_5079212.jpg

Platapus 08-28-14 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2237029)
Well the thing is it was not a nine year old with an Uzi. It was an adult who was supposed to know how to instruct others in the safe use of firearms allowing a nine year old to fire a fully automatic weapon.

The less said about the quality of some civilian instructors the better. :nope:

I have seen some "instructors" at the range I would not trust to pick up my brass. But hey, they are NRA so that means.... well it means they pay their dues on time... or something.

Stealhead 08-28-14 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Maltadog (Post 2237082)

So how is a kid supposed to hump an 80 pound mortar base plate up a hill in Afghanistan?:hmm2: I mean if I where a brutal warlord that had a child army I'd have them carry AK-47s and the ones that are 10 years of age or above that manage to maintain muscle mass from the meager rice ration those kids get an RPG. The stronger per-teens would get an RPK. The teenagers would get a PKM. The mortars and heavy machine guns I'd just mount on technicals.

Why an AK instead of an Uzi? Because the AK-47 is heavier and is a two hand weapon they'll probably manage to keep the rounds in a generally forwards direction if not well more rice rations.

vienna 08-30-14 12:47 PM

If one lives in a place where the danger to one's children necessitates instructing a 9-year old child how to use a gun, any gun, for self-defense, I believe it is a sign it is time to move...


<O>

Tribesman 08-30-14 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna (Post 2237817)
If one lives in a place where the danger to one's children necessitates instructing a 9-year old child how to use a gun, any gun, for self-defense, I believe it is a sign it is time to move...


<O>

Well possibly.
Though you could always shoot all the neighbours instead as moving home can be quite stressful.


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