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Jimbuna 04-28-14 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 2201769)
Fishing for compliments oh Codfather?:O:

Har bloody har :stare:

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Originally Posted by banryu79 (Post 2201780)
Cod as in Call Of Duty? :hmmm: :haha:

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The Cod Wars, also called the Icelandic Cod Wars (Icelandic: Žorskastrķšin, "the cod war"; or, in Iceland, Landhelgisstrķšin, "the war for the territorial waters", were a series of confrontations in the 1950s and 1970s between the United Kingdom and Iceland regarding fishing rights in the North Atlantic. The conflict ended in 1976, when the United Kingdom accepted a 200 nautical-mile Icelandic exclusive fishery zone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

Oberon 04-28-14 07:10 AM

Fish and chips, srs bsns. :yep:

Betonov 04-28-14 07:11 AM

-Proxy war

2 sides fighting with the blessing of 2 stronger opponents, that aren't in direct conflict.

Jimbuna 04-28-14 07:13 AM

Robot Wars

Betonov 04-28-14 07:20 AM

Junkyard wars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTIpd9FYAzg

LoBlo 04-28-14 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2201767)
No mention of the Cod War.

The COD war is interesting. I had to read up on it. Doesn't fit precisely into any of the other categories. Similar to a 'warm conflict' (#2), but differs in that rather than involving hand-wielded small arms, the 'small arms' were those of ship-borne guns, ramming, and sabotage (net cutting).

Given that the psychology of limited engagements, posturing, and constraint to force are similar to a warm conflict (both sides claiming self-defense), overall could probably be fit into a modified definition of a 'warm conflict', whereas the pot shots and small arms are to include their ship borne equivalents albeit the resource cost considerably more.

Very interesting indeed and nice reading. Underscores the benefit of a strong navy.

Jimbuna 04-28-14 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LoBlo (Post 2201826)
The COD war is interesting. I had to read up on it. Doesn't fit precisely into any of the other categories. Similar to a 'warm conflict' (#2), but differs in that rather than involving hand-wielded small arms, the 'small arms' were those of ship-borne guns, ramming, and sabotage (net cutting).

Given that the psychology of limited engagements, posturing, and constraint to force are similar to a warm conflict (both sides claiming self-defense), overall could probably be fit into a modified definition of a 'warm conflict', whereas the pot shots and small arms are to include their ship borne equivalents albeit the resource cost considerably more.

Very interesting indeed and nice reading. Underscores the benefit of a strong navy.

Two sides trying to 'batter' each other into submission :)

Mittelwaechter 04-28-14 08:45 AM

What about the daily War of the Roses?

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USSRs invasion of Afghanistan, USA's frequent military interventions
LOL

Stealhead 04-28-14 02:13 PM

I disagree with guerrilla war/insurgency: in most every case one side has a notable technological and/or military advantage and one side has a decided disadvantage which brings about the need to fight in a guerrilla/insurgent manner and the other side to attempt to fight a counterinsurgency.

I also disagree with the "over match" this category can not exist if the category of guerrilla war/insurgency is on the same list.

To me a war is a situation where two opposing sides in some manner deal death towards each other with some ends to be gained usually it is land or control of land.There are wars fought on every street in America (or any other nation for that matter).A three way war between gangs and the law for control of territory. One to enforce the the law the others to gain control of turf for the purpose of selling drugs and other illegal products.

Aktungbby 04-28-14 04:18 PM

^Offset wars and turf wars then!? Ukraine is a good example of both at the present time IMHO.:D

Platapus 04-28-14 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2201711)
How about cyber warfare? That's becoming a class of it's own now.

That's a real good question and one tough to answer.

I wonder if "cyber warfare" is closer to espionage than war??

August 04-28-14 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2201965)
That's a real good question and one tough to answer.

I wonder if "cyber warfare" is closer to espionage than war??

Good point as a lot of it is about intelligence gathering. but hacking into things like power grids is in order to disable or take control of them. That's more than just spying.

Platapus 04-28-14 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2201974)
Good point as a lot of it is about intelligence gathering. but hacking into things like power grids is in order to disable or take control of them. That's more than just spying.

That might fall under sabotage, which I don't know how it fits in the war discussion. :hmmm:

Operations prior to war? OPW? :D

mapuc 04-28-14 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2201976)
That might fall under sabotage, which I don't know how it fits in the war discussion. :hmmm:

Operations prior to war? OPW? :D

It is. I every war a country send their soldiers or special units behind the enemy line to conduct sabotage

That what the allied and the axis did during WWII and I think they did it in WWI.

Markus

LoBlo 05-03-14 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 2201906)
I disagree with guerrilla war/insurgency: in most every case one side has a notable technological and/or military advantage and one side has a decided disadvantage which brings about the need to fight in a guerrilla/insurgent manner and the other side to attempt to fight a counterinsurgency.

I also disagree with the "over match" this category can not exist if the category of guerrilla war/insurgency is on the same list.

To me a war is a situation where two opposing sides in some manner deal death towards each other with some ends to be gained usually it is land or control of land.There are wars fought on every street in America (or any other nation for that matter).A three way war between gangs and the law for control of territory. One to enforce the the law the others to gain control of turf for the purpose of selling drugs and other illegal products.

I see your point. Both categories can be seen as one and the same in a lot of respects. No country intentionally fights a guerrilla war unless they are facing an overmatch. Overmatches that are not ultimately guerrilla wars can be seen as combined arms matches that just turn out lopsided (albeit sometimes after the fact).

Its probably a point of simplification to eliminate the overmatch category. Albeit, I do feel what legitimizes it as a category is the political attitude and willingness to fight that lopsided combined arms represent to military powers and the common 'bully tatics' that military powers use as the result. The best example I can think of off hand is the USA strikes on Kosovo in the 1990s. Far from a guerrilla war, the US used technology mismatch to overwhelm without fear of heavy losses on its own part. Something that it wouldn't dream of on a more capable opposition.

Good points.


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