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Penguin 01-10-13 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav (Post 1990692)
The only thing left of the church should be the building.
The bible is nothing but a piece of propaganda and soap opera of over 2000 years ago. and a Bad one at that!

"...ich glaube an die heilige katholische kirche..."

my rear fender! I always skip that part.

Just Yesterday i buried my grandmom. And the love she gave us as kids, the "Robe" quickly pretended the source of that love was not my Grandmom, but that source was God and Jesus.

I sat there, and wanted to nuke that mofo for using the good qualities of my Grandmother in order to pour propaganda on our Heads, God is the source of all love, and the catholic church distributes that love in the mess and the celebrations n stuff.


Church... [random insults]

I feel you Gustav, and my condolences.
I had the same thing 2 weeks ago when I attented my granny-in-law's funeral, also in a catholic church. She was also a good person, certainly inspired by Christianity, but she did good deeds on her own, not because the church wanted her to do so.
It was very different from my own grandmother's funeral, who had an evangelic funeral. There I felt that the event was really about her and didn't feel like attending a long commercial break for the church.

Hottentot 01-10-13 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1990823)
It was very different from my own grandmother's funeral, who had an evangelic funeral. There I felt that the event was really about her and didn't feel like attending a long commercial break for the church.

Yeah, this has been my experience as well from the Lutheran funerals, not that I have any experience of Catholic or any other ones. Though it did feel silly when I was attending my grandfather's funeral and there was this priest going on and on about how good man he was. Well sure, he was. But dude, you didn't, like, ever meet him or know him. You're just there telling everyone of us, his relatives, what a great guy this complete stranger was. I bet you didn't even write that speech yourself.

Personally I hope the only eulogy I'll have will be a letter written by me, myself and I. It will be very short and to the point: "I'm dead. What the bloody heck do you dolts still want?! Just go take your free coffee and cake and stop bothering me already!"

AVGWarhawk 01-10-13 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1990503)
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A reason is certainly that they have less surpressed sexuality as they are allowed to marry, same goes for Protestant priests.


No sir, the sexual abuse among the Rabbi is as numerous as the Catholics.

Armistead 01-10-13 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1990655)
How can you call yourself a Christian then? The Bible is the only original source for the life of Christ. Everything else stems from that.


Which bible or should I say which scripts? There is nothing original about the bible.

Sailor Steve 01-10-13 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1990857)
Which bible or should I say which scripts? There is nothing original about the bible.

Also true. My point was that you can't claim to follow someone whose life is taken from one source, and then claim to not believe the source.

sharkbit 01-10-13 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot (Post 1990836)
Personally I hope the only eulogy I'll have will be a letter written by me, myself and I. It will be very short and to the point: "I'm dead. What the bloody heck do you dolts still want?! Just go take your free coffee and cake and stop bothering me already!"

:har: :har:

:)

Cybermat47 01-10-13 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1990655)
How can you call yourself a Christian then? The Bible is the only original source for the life of Christ. Everything else stems from that.

Eh. There's only one sentence in any Christian literature that I'm going to take literally. 'Love thy Neighbour as you love yourself.'

Sailor Steve 01-10-13 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1990950)
Eh. There's only one sentence in any Christian literature that I'm going to take literally. 'Love thy Neighbour as you love yourself.'

You might be interested to know that at least 20 people said that same thing long before Christ was born.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

My point is still the same: There is only one source for the very existence of Jesus. How does one claim to be his follower and refuse to acknowledge that source?

Cybermat47 01-10-13 03:56 PM

I do acknowledge the Bible, but I also recognise that people have changed it other the centuries. I mean, I really can't believe that a God who loves everyone would punish some people merely because of their sexuality. It's my theory that all those writings about non-believers burning in hell were simply added to control people out of fear, to forcefully stop them from leaving their faith. That's the reason the bible annoys me.

And what do you mean only one source for his very existence? Jesus was a genuine historical figure who was born in Bethlehem, spread his message of love and forgiveness, and was crucified by the Romans. Even Richard Dawkins thinks so! Wether or not he was a divine being, a prophet or a rambling lunatic is open to debate.

Takeda Shingen 01-10-13 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1990958)
I do acknowledge the Bible, but I also recognise that people have changed it other the centuries. I mean, I really can't believe that a God who loves everyone would punish some people merely because of their sexuality. It's my theory that all those writings about non-believers burning in hell were simply added to control people out of fear, to forcefully stop them from leaving their faith. That's the reason the bible annoys me.

I fail to see how you can call yourself a Christian when you blatently reject Christian scripture. Every single Christian denomination holds that the Bible, whichever version they endorse, is the Word of God. You cannot dismiss that and claim to be a Christian.

Cybermat47 01-10-13 04:09 PM

I don't reject it entirely. But can you really entirely trust a book that in some places says "The all-merciful Lord said 'I don't like gays, I think I'll subject them to eternal torture'"?

Takeda Shingen 01-10-13 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1990968)
I don't reject it entirely. But can you really entirely trust a book that in some places says "The all-merciful Lord said 'I don't like gays, I think I'll subject them to eternal torture'"?

So, which parts to you consider true, and which do you consider false? Do you reject the 10 Commandments? The Immaculate Conception? The Sermon on the Mount?

Cybermat47 01-10-13 04:12 PM

Well, I reject the parts that are in conflict with other parts, like God loving everyone and hating gays.

Takeda Shingen 01-10-13 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1990970)
Well, I reject the parts that are in conflict with other parts, like God loving everyone and hating gays.

You didn't answer my question. We'll just start with one of them. Do you reject the 10 Commandments?

Cybermat47 01-10-13 04:19 PM

No, I don't reject the Ten Commandments. They're a good set of laws.



Also, one part I consider false is the Garden of Eden. Modern discoveries such as the Theory of Evoloution make more sense. But, I have nothing against the story. It was made in a time when there was no concept of evoloution.

Takeda Shingen 01-10-13 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1990973)
Well, one part I consider false is the Garden of Eden. Modern discoveries such as the Theory of Evoloution make more sense. But, I have nothing against the story. It was made in a time when there was no concept of evoloution.

Do. You. Believe. In. The. Ten. Commandments.

Cybermat47 01-10-13 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1990974)
Do. You. Believe. In. The. Ten. Commandments.

Refresh. Page. Look. Up.

Takeda Shingen 01-10-13 04:23 PM

Don't get snippy because you decided to edit in your comment after I posted.

What is the Second Commandment?

Cybermat47 01-10-13 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1990979)
What is the Second Commandment?

"Do not have any other gods before me"

OR

"Do not make a carving-a graven image of anything that is in heaven"

Takeda Shingen 01-10-13 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1990981)
"Do not have any other gods before me"

OR

"Do not make a carving-a graven image of anything that is in heaven"

Exactly. In other words, don't make your own god of your choosing. And by cherry picking what tenets of Christianity you follow, you are doing just that; making a god in you own image. What you have then is your own brand of spirituality, which is just fine. However, you can't call it Christianity no more than you could call it Shintoism because you reject it's teachings.


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