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_dgn_ 01-13-13 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BossMark (Post 1992286)
Have they surrendered yet??

Who ? Cornwallis and his British troops ? :D

August 01-13-13 06:41 PM

We shouldn't tease the French. They were the first nation to stand by us and without them we probably wouldn't have won our independence.

Bilge_Rat 01-15-13 04:30 PM

I am not surprised France is intervening in Mali. You look at the past 50 years and you see that even though France left its North/West Africa colonies, it still intervenes regularly to kick ass/protect french interests. France considers West/North Africa to be in its sphere of inerest.

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- 1964, Gabon: French forces intervene to restore president after coup.

- 1968-1972, Chad: French troops intervene to put down northern rebellion.

- 1978-80, Chad: French forces defend government against rebels.

- 1978, Zaire: French and Belgian paratroops drop into the mineral-rich Katanga region of Zaire (today known as the Democratic Republic of Congo), where rebels are holding Europeans.

- 1979, Central African Republic: French forces depose the eccentric Central African "emperor" Jean-Bedel Bokassa.

- 1983-84, Chad: New French intervention in Chad, where the government is threatened by rebels backed by Colonel Moamer Kadhafi's Libya.

- 1986, Chad: Further operation against Chadian rebels; mainly using aviation.

- 1986, Togo: French reinforcements sent after coup attempt, which fails.

- 1989, Comoros: French forces go in when president is assassinated and mercenaries headed by Bob Denard, also French, take power.

- 1990, Gabon: French troops support the regime of president Omar Bongo; evacuate foreign nationals from cities hit by rioting.

- 1990-1993, Rwanda: French soldiers help evacuate French and other Europeans after rebels invade the country.

- 1991, Zaire: French troops deploy capital Kinshasa during riots against the regime of Mobutu Sese Seko.

- 1992-94, Somalia: France intervenes alongside the US-led "Restore Hope" operation in Somalia.

- 1994: Rwanda: Two separate French interventions follow the death in a plane crash of Rwandan president Juvenal Habyarimana, which sparks genocidal killings that leave some 800,000 people dead.

France's "Operation Turquoise", which also involves troops in neighbouring Zaire, is later considered a disaster, and the Rwandan authorities accuse it of not only failing to stop the massacres but also of facilitating them.

- 1995: Comoros: New French intervention to halt a coup, again led by the French mercenary Bob Denard.

- 1996-7: Central African Republic: Two French interventions to maintain order after munities among the local military.

- 1997: Republic of Congo: French troops intervene during civil war; help evacuate foreigners.

- 1996: Cameroon: France provides military assistance to Cameroon, which is involved in a dispute with Nigeria over an oil-rich border area.

- 1998: Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire): Intervention to evacuate foreigners from Kinshasa during unrest following the overthrow of the Mobutu regime by Laurent-Desire Kabila.

- 2002-present: Ivory Coast: French mount "Operation Licorne" after a military rebellion effectively cuts Ivory Coast in two. In 2004 they destroy Ivory Coast's small air force after government forces bomb a French base.

- 2003: Democratic Republic of Congo: France provides most of the forces for a UN operation to protect civilians in the northeastern Ituri region of the DRC.

- 2008: Chad: New French intervention to bolster regime and evacuate foreigners during attacks by rebels from neighbouring Sudan.

- 2011: Libya: France takes the lead in bombing campaign against Libya, after the United Nations authorises action to protect civilians during a civil war.

- 2011: Ivory Coast: French forces of the "Licorne" operation act alongside UN forces during the civil war sparked by Laurent Gbagbo's refusal to leave power after losing an election. -AFP


http://www.thenewage.co.za/15519-102...y_intervention

A lot of people think France is not aggressive, which is not true. Its just that it does not fight according to US, UN or anyone else's agenda. It fights when it suits their economic/political interest, which is why, they are all over the place in Africa, but total wallflowers in the rest of the world.

Most likely the ground troops are from the French Foreign Legion. Can anyone confirm this?

Nippelspanner 01-15-13 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by August
Key word there: "together". All too often it's us and GB doing all the heavy lifting and the rest of the world confining themselves to token contributions (if that) and lots of Monday morning quarterbacking.

Wow... :har:

Tribesman 01-16-13 03:02 AM

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It fights when it suits their economic/political interest, which is why, they are all over the place in Africa, but total wallflowers in the rest of the world.
How can you miss all their adventures in other parts of the world?

BossMark 01-16-13 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1993766)
How can you miss all their adventures in other parts of the world?

Yes raising their arms up in other parts of the world :haha:

Tribesman 01-16-13 03:10 AM

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Yes raising their arms up in other parts of the world :haha:
Considering that Britain surrendered all its territory in mainland France that is quite funny:O:

Skybird 01-16-13 06:59 AM

I read a bit about the background of this.

Northern Mali holds the uranium mines which get exploited by the French to win the uranium they use for their nuclear weapons.

A French community lives in Mali, but a far greater Mal community lives in France. If Northern Mali falls to real Islam, it is to be feared that more troublemakers will move from there to France.

Hollande is under pressure in France and has become unpopular in record time. He needs to distract the attention a bit that so far has been focussed on him exclusively.

The Mali military is extremely weak in fighting power, unorganized, haunted by high levels of deserting and corrupt officers, and generally is in a hopeless and desolate condition, any air-based capacity is practically non-existent.

My conclusion: it is not only a mission of altruism and noblesse, but also a mission of very egoist motives. Therefore: I am against military assistance for the French in Mali, but boosted efforts for intel surveillance and intense cooperation with French intel service to learn early about any trafficking of militants and hate preachers from Mali to France and Europe, so that the French can take them out.

Jimbuna 01-16-13 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by _dgn_ (Post 1992536)
Who ? Cornwallis and his British troops ? :D

I'm glad your smiling because I love a bit banter so I'll raise you with this oldie :03:

An elderly British gentleman of 83 arrived in Paris by plane.

At the French immigration desk, the man took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry-on bag.

"You have been to France before, Monsieur?" the Immigration officer asked, sarcastically.

The elderly gentleman admitted he had been to France previously.

"Then you should know well enough to have your passport ready."

The British gentleman says, "The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."

"Impossible. The British always have to show their passports on arrival in France!"

The elderly gentleman gave the French Immigration Officer a long hard look.

Then he quietly explained;

"Well, the last time I was here, I came ashore on Juno Beach on D-Day in June 1944, and I couldn't find any flippin Frenchmen to show it to."

:O:

BossMark 01-16-13 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 1993839)
I'm glad your smiling because I love a bit banter so I'll raise you with this oldie :03:

An elderly British gentleman of 83 arrived in Paris by plane.

At the French immigration desk, the man took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry-on bag.

"You have been to France before, Monsieur?" the Immigration officer asked, sarcastically.

The elderly gentleman admitted he had been to France previously.

"Then you should know well enough to have your passport ready."

The British gentleman says, "The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."

"Impossible. The British always have to show their passports on arrival in France!"

The elderly gentleman gave the French Immigration Officer a long hard look.

Then he quietly explained;

"Well, the last time I was here, I came ashore on Juno Beach on D-Day in June 1944, and I couldn't find any flippin Frenchmen to show it to."

:O:

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:
An absolute classic

Bilge_Rat 01-16-13 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BossMark (Post 1993767)
Yes raising their arms up in other parts of the world :haha:

Singapore 1942: 80,000 British troops surrender to 35,000 japanese

Tobruk 1942: 35,000 British troops surrender to 30,000 italian-german troops.

seems to me the British could give seminars on how to surrender.... especially to smaller armies. :O:

Jimbuna 01-16-13 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 1993870)
Singapore 1942: 80,000 British troops surrender to 35,000 japanese

Tobruk 1942: 35,000 British troops surrender to 30,000 italian-german troops.

seems to me the British could give seminars on how to surrender.... especially to smaller armies. :O:

No doubt.

Why not enlighten us on your country of origin.

Tchocky 01-16-13 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 1993870)
Singapore 1942: 80,000 British troops surrender to 35,000 japanese

Tobruk 1942: 35,000 British troops surrender to 30,000 italian-german troops.

seems to me the British could give seminars on how to surrender.... especially to smaller armies. :O:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Compass


UK/Australia/Free French Forces

Strength of 36,000 - 500 killed and 55 missing

Italian Forces

Strength of 150,000 - 3,000 killed, 115,000 captured

Nippelspanner 01-16-13 10:47 AM

Am I the only one here who thinks that comparing those numbers is just stupid?

Jesus Christ guys, knock it off already! :nope:

Sailor Steve 01-16-13 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner (Post 1993931)
Am I the only one here who thinks that comparing those numbers is just stupid?

Yep. :yep:

Just kiddding. I think these guys are just having fun tweaking each other. Every country has at least one case of a garrison surrendering to a smaller force. It happened in the southwest US during the American Civil War. On July 27, 1861, at St. Augustine Springs, New Mexico, Union Major Isaac Lynde surrendered his 500 men to Confederate Captain John R. Baylor, who was attacking Lynde's Fort Fillmore with a force of 250. After a small skirmish the previous day, Lynde decided to surrender to Baylor without firing a shot.

Bilge_Rat 01-16-13 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 1993883)
No doubt.

Why not enlighten us on your country of origin.

Ah, I sense I hit a nerve...:D


my job here is done..
exit stage left...:gulp:

Takeda Shingen 01-16-13 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 1993955)
Ah, I sense I hit a nerve...:D


my job here is done..
exit stage left...:gulp:

That's a pretty cowardly way to argue. Just sayin'.

Nippelspanner 01-16-13 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1993957)
That's a pretty cowardly way to argue. Just sayin'.

Same thought here... pretty low...

Jimbuna 01-16-13 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1993957)
That's a pretty cowardly way to argue. Just sayin'.

You could say that, especially when the context has already been explained as one of humour and banter.



*puts chainsaw back in the cupboard*

Bilge_Rat 01-16-13 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1993957)
That's a pretty cowardly way to argue. Just sayin'.

argue what exactly, whenever France is discussed, some peep will always make the same lame surrender joke which ceased to be funny a long time ago.


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