699... thats pretty good i think :up:

not bad at all for 25M residents and a high number of em being gun slingers :shucks:

I wasn't talking about your attitude or your opinion. I was talking about the sentence itself. If you read what you wrote you would know that.
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As long as you're cool with being number 2 in the nation for gun violence, then okay, by all mean arm everybody.

Silliness.

So the problem is insane people getting guns.

So you can't seem to tell which people will flip.

And the idea is to give people guns, people which you cannot tell if they are going to flip.
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you really shot down your own attempt there

We have armed pilots why not armed teachers?

they should have a word of the day every day that changes.

If you hear shots lock the doors turn off the lights and move the kids to a non visible corner of the room, the teacher then draws the side arm, aims it at the door and awaits the secure word before unlocking the door, opening it and holstering the weapon.

piece of cake.

if gunman gains access to the room, fire the side arm until all ammunition is expended and let the authorities worry about cleaning his gray matter off the chalk board.

No, the problem is telling who is insane before hand. Your answer is to disarm everybody, which still leaves insane people around. And which is impossible anyway.

True. When your insane neighbor kills your family by some other means, your friends will mourn you. When my insane neighbor comes into my home and tries to kill me, I'll shoot him.

No, my answer is to try to figure out a way to tell who is insane. In the meantime, my answer is to try to protect my family any way I can.

You really showed your trademarked arrogance there. You really are Skybird's twin.

Except that schools already do that. They drill on it every month, minus the firearm. I don't know how your schools are, but the classrooms have doors up here that you aren't getting into once they are locked, at least not before the authorities arrive. The problem with this most recent shooting was that the shooter was already in the classroom and shooting before the lockdown sounded. In that case, the damage is already done, and no volume of additional firearms will undo it.

i am cool with it...

you're telling me 699 gun related deaths in Texas for 2011? what were the situations with each? how many of those killed were drug dealers or addicts?

there were half that many homicides in the entire city of Detroit alone. 1/3 that number in Baltimore.

yes, im glad my state has roughly the same number of homicides state wide as some cities do. thats not remotely silly.

And if one of the teachers who died trying to attack the attacker had been armed, it might have ended there.

And if we had floors that we could electrify, we could have cooked the intruder in his own juices.

The goal is to prevent the deaths in the first place, which means stopping these types of people at the door. Once the shooting starts, children are going to die and we have already failed, regardless of how many Dirty Harrys we have around. This is what exasperates me with this arm everybody argument. It is not only a poor answer, it is a lazy one too.

you can manipulate the numbers as you wish...

I'll do manipulating of my own.

here:

if you look at it as gun deaths as a percentage of ALL murders per state...

Texas doesnt even rank in the top 20 :smug:

or how about the rate of assaults committed by firearms...

Texas doesnt even rank in the top 10

Fire arms murder rate?

again Texas doesnt even place in the top 20 a good 15 spots below Pennsylvania

That is damn brilliant and I'm betting fun to watch! :yeah:

I agree with stopping them at the door, but the first line of defense shouldnt be the only line of defense

Good post. Good post.

We have that. Again, the lockdown saved the lives of every other student in that building. The problem was that the shooter got inside if the first place without triggering said lockdown. How did he do that? How can we stop that? Those are where our attention should be directed, not at this concealed carry red herring.

i think architecturally speaking schools tend to be too "open"

there was a high school that opened around here a few years ago... there are three points of entry by road each of which are gated with a guard present, the school is surrounded by a fence i would wager is at least 10 feet high, and beyond the fence is at least 200 yards of open pasture all around the entire school.

short of emergency exits there are only a couple of primary entrances to the entire school and all of the class rooms must be entered from within the school.

at first i thought "how the hell would i have ever skipped school here? this is brilliant!"

then i got to thinking, wow, some nut job would have a hard time getting into this place easily.

My kids school have a camera in every hallway. The campus is patrolled by a armed officer. The outer doors are locked from getting in but not out. The campus is 6 building(it's like a mini college). There are fences that surround the campus. It is nice fencing and does not look like a prison but effective fencing to impede possible jumpers. Every plan is not fool proof. At lease there is some plan.

Arming the teachers huh?
Well lets see how long it takes until we read about a teacher shooting half his class... :-?

My statement was relevant. Yours is not.

I completely agree. The real problem is to stop the bad people. It would be nice if we could stop the bad people from ever getting guns. But we can't. And taking guns away from the good people, which seems to be the other sides only answer, won't work either.

True, but this part of the discussion is about what do once we've failed and the shooting starts. Close our eyes and pray the bad guy goes away. Wait for the police to arrive? Or maybe do something about it now.

No, it is neither. It's a backup plan, an answer for what to do once the shooting starts. That you disagree with it is fine. That you think it is a bad idea is also fine. Is it truly a bad idea? We won't know that until the next time the shooting starts.

People had this same discussion when the nutcase drove his pickup truck through the window of the diner in Killeen, Texas, and started shooting people. John Walsh got the shock of his life when he gathered the survivors together and asked what they though could have been done. One woman said "I wish I hadn't left my gun in the truck." The others all agreed. People said that was the wrong attituded, but when two armed men robbed a diner in Anniston, Alabama, and tried to lock everybody in the freezer, one of the patrons pulled his gun and shot them both.

So it's not a bad idea, or a lazy one. It's just one idea of what to do once the shooting starts.

You can argue, and Tribesman can ridicule, but we won't know if it's a good idea or a bad one until it actually happens. Nobody wants that, but sooner or later it will. Then we'll see.

Dont worry, they didnt just give old Mrs. Jenkins a Texas Department of Education Issue Taurus Judge and say "shoot bad guys iffin any of em show up causin trouble on this here place of learnin'."