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August 11-06-12 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1957344)
And August has successfully managed to steer the discussion away from the article itself, which is actually pretty interesting, whether you agree with it or not.


Have patience Spanky. It's just page 1.

Betonov 11-06-12 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1957283)
I like reading your posts and wouldn't want to see you hurt yourself! :)

Good thing you werent here one hour ago when I managed to got stuck in the woods with my car. And then getting unstuck :doh:
I hope the boss wont need me tommorow, a visit at the mechanic is a must :/\\!!


Back on topic:

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Actually life goes on while others make headlines.

USA is very colorful country with a lot of things going that are hard to swallow for europeans.
I personally see this diversity as a merit even thou it may cause all sorts of headlines.
THIS !!!!
There's enough scientific oriented Americans to cancel out the bible nuts. They just prefer to read books and do research than scream at others

Sailor Steve 11-06-12 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1957398)
Have patience Spanky. It's just page 1.

:rotfl2:

Okay, will do. :sunny:

Tribesman 11-06-12 12:17 PM

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THIS !!!!
There's enough scientific oriented Americans to cancel out the bible nuts. They just prefer to read books and do research than scream at others
Two problems there, the ones that scream are also very zealous and keep pushing till they get it, the ones that read and research will just look at the screamers and think "loonies" then go back to the books.
Just look at how the cretinists keep digging away at education by getting myths labelled as science.

August 11-06-12 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 1957405)
THIS !!!!
There's enough scientific oriented Americans to cancel out the bible nuts.

Not just cancel out but overwhelm them by several orders of magnitude. The foreign press (and ours as well) like to play up the idea as being pervasive throughout our society but in reality it is pretty rare to find someone who actually believes it.

Skybird 11-06-12 12:26 PM

Has anyone here even cared to read that article, which is 6 pages? Steve seems to have read it - but any others of those talking in here?

In other words does anyone in here beside Steve know what he is talking about and what this thread is about?

Just curious...

:03:

Tribesman 11-06-12 12:33 PM

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Has anyone here even cared to read that article
Of course not, I didn't read the Presidential candidates anwsers either though I must say Romney does go on a bit while sayiong little and seem to contradict many of the statements he has made during the campaign, but I suppose thats because he is targeting the audience of the journal and not his party fanbase.

Betonov 11-06-12 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1957421)
Two problems there, the ones that scream are also very zealous and keep pushing till they get it, the ones that read and research will just look at the screamers and think "loonies" then go back to the books.
Just look at how the cretinists keep digging away at education by getting myths labelled as science.

The smart people need some good PR people because of that. To scream louder than the cretinists

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Not just cancel out but overwhelm them by several orders of magnitude. The foreign press (and ours as well) like to play up the idea as being pervasive throughout our society but in reality it is pretty rare to find someone who actually believes it.
It's the medias's fault as always. I mean it, I'm not sarcastic. But thats the price of free press. If they're not influenced they'll report on what sells

Armistead 11-06-12 01:25 PM

American politics is changing, the fundy Christian mindset is hurting the GOP more than helping it, but those running for high office still need the bible belt.
Frankly, it should terrify anyone to have a president that doesn't believe in evolution or believes the earth is 6000 years old.

Buddahaid 11-06-12 02:49 PM

Yes I read it and all I get from it is nothing has changed other than information of all kinds gets disseminated faster and farther thanks to science.

Oberon 11-06-12 03:38 PM

I thought this thread was about pancakes? :hmmm:

Tribesman 11-06-12 03:44 PM

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I thought this thread was about pancakes?
That would be a batter topic

Sailor Steve 11-06-12 03:45 PM

You're really scraping that one.

Buddahaid 11-06-12 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1957580)
You're really scraping that one.

Don't be so flippant.

u crank 11-06-12 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1957338)
...candidates have to pretend that the world is 6,000 years old just to get a vote.

It's silly to expect our technological advantage to continue at this rate

Don't worry about it. It's all smoke and mirrors.

This.

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 1957243)
But, the situation may be unpleasant, it's not catastrophic. Science is not hindered by religions. Apart from stem cell research, which science managed to adapt by researching other sources than fetuses.
All this anti-science talk is a way to be loud. pro-science people will just need to be louder

Very good point.

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A smart believer will support science, a dumb atheist will still not contribute.
Even better point.

Pass the maple syrup. :D

Betonov 11-06-12 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 1957601)
Pass the maple syrup. :D

I never had pancakes with maple syrup. I really got to visit the US soon
:Kaleun_Salivating:

Sailor Steve 11-06-12 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 1957600)
Don't be so flippant.

I can see you're not trying to butter me up.

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 1957603)
I never had pancakes with maple syrup. I really got to visit the US soon
:Kaleun_Salivating:

:o

I can't imagine having them any other way. I've tried most of the pancake-house variations, and many are good, but I always come back to butter and maple syrup. Well, actually cheap imitation syrup. The real stuff is very expensive.

CaptainMattJ. 11-06-12 08:15 PM

There never has been a purpose for these organized religions, in my opinion. And their staunch ideologies have clashed and still clash today with progressive ideas.

as sort of a de-facto requirement to be president they need to be religious for some reason or another, because it matters to people. With around 80% of the population being christians, it translates into the president gets big points for being a follower of a sect of christianity. But a presidential candidate who is atheist is still today looked down upon. It does noticeably affect his appeal to people. This is something that i still dont understand to this date. Any select organized religion bases it's belief system on an unanswerable question, the question of "where did it all come from" Science has explained everything except the ultimate question of where did everything begin (the big bang not explaining how the universe suddenly popped into existence from nothing). That question can't be answered. Therefore there are an infinite number of ways everything couldve suddenly come from nothing.

For instance, i could claim that the big bang was caused by Me and 24 sea otters finishing off the most epic choreography routine ever, and it's just as plausible as Christianity because the question doesn't have an answer. Therefore, no matter what you believed it shouldn't be relevant because anything is possible and unless that belief is immoral by general societal standards, it shouldn't have an effect on their appeal as a candidate for office.

The reason i suspect it matters is because of people's belief that with religion comes morality, which is in my opinion a terrible thing to think. Religion shouldn't be the source of your morality, you should be a morale person even without the need to believe in a religion.

(on a side note, pancakes without syrup is like having a cake and not being able to eat it. It's like opening up a whole new world of sugary goodness)

August 11-06-12 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1957665)
The real stuff is very expensive.

But worth it. Especially if it's his first time. :yep:

Sailor Steve 11-06-12 08:31 PM

True dat. :sunny:


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