Ok after all said and done the truth is if you ignore all the flashy looking items and just select the desk top option as soon as the system boots up the it looks, acts and runs like a fast version of Window 7


Ok I'm sorry but I cant understand what all the fuss about the start menu is. After all what function is shown on the start menu that is not in use on ether the start screen or moving the curser to ether the top or bottom or the right hand side of the screen. Its all right there for instance the programs you install are shown on the START SCREEN and any program you want access to on the DESK TOP screen you just right click it and "pin" it to the task bar. although saying that most programs you install place a icon on the DESK TOP anyway. So its only things like media player or Firefox that I move there and the items like control panel, power on/off and also change pc settings handles the things like Windows update, system performance and devices are all found in the right side panel.
So really Widows 8 has all the same features as the old systems just placed differently and to be honest the more I use Windows 8 the more I like it. And not forgetting how fast this operating System works it has to be twice as fast as Windows 7 and that's saying a lot and the programs run super smooth.
Oh and yes it Runs Silent Hunter III (star force free copy I have) and also Silent Hunter V with no problems.

On it's own Win 8 may be faster then 7 like boot time and dealing with it's own visual in media files.
but when you benchmark it with programs like 3Dmark and games then there's no gain to be found between Win 7 and Win 8.

The Fuzz is that you're forced with the new UI and the clear signs that windows 8 is designed for the Tablet and Smart phone which imo should be kept seperated from the PC market.

HunterICX

Booting times and such cosmetics I do not even consider. It is too marginal. Who cares hwether the system take 30 seocnds or 50 seconds to boot? Should I swithc of my firewall and antivir becasue the add another 20 seconds or so?

Is that even interesting?

What do you do at the end of the day with those precious seconds you have saved? Brush your teeth twenty seconds longer before going to bed? Collecting it all, and when you have collected 5 minutes after two weeks or so, use those 5 minutes to do - what...?

;)

Right that, precisely. It wants to be both - and that is were the basic flaw is. A design that may work good with fingertips, messes up ergonomics where you use mouse and keyboard.

And btw: ever tried to enter precise details into a picture and to detailed precise picture manipulation via photoshop - on a touchscreen, by fingertips? Ever typed long texts on a touchscreen virtual keyboard? ;)

That was just an example Sh3 Fully modded with LSH3 takes just over 2mins to start the game which is dam fast by any standards just to show how well the operating system is running if all you want to do is look for negatives that thats all you will find I take it by the way you know so much about the new version that you are using it or maybe you are just blowing hot air from other sorces

Not only boot time but also loading and running programs and games there is a diffrence try to get over the look of windows 8 you see plastered all over the place you dont have to use any of it and the new UI will once use to it its no problem to use once you go passed all the crap parts the system will run much the same as any other

loading perhaps but running?
What difference

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HunterICX

Ok I don't know where you got these figures you are showing but these ones are from my new patrol using silent hunter III with LSH3 v4 running and also all of my mods including the Gunsub one.
the heaviest usage is said to be leaving a crowded port with reports of 8fps I had 16fps max using Windows 7 which was good but the game would shudder sometimes and also the spray from the front of the sub would also skip every now and then. well I just started a new patrol within Window 8 using the same settings and well lets see.
leaving dock 41fps sailing through the harbour 42fps no stutter no spray skip the game seem to run faster and smoother and looking at the fps that is possible is it not.
sailing through the outer post of the harbour still in heavy shipping 62fps
and last of all passing the carrier and escort 182fps so I hope this helps these are fps running on my computer not read out of some anti Windows 8 site please keep an open mind but if you still wish to be Anti Windows 8 then hope it works for you

That you're having a nice performance in SHIII now is nice, I'm glad for you.
but did you ever tried different drivers for the video card? ever had a format and started of fresh and ran the same mod soup and came up with the same porky FPS?

Because my experiences with games no matter the OS XP or Win 7 varies as well that sometimes after a format for some reason my game that ran crap or poor suddently ran like roadrunner (no hardware changes just a fresh installation and up to date drivers)

I read tech blogs that benchmark and stress test components and software what's so anti Win8 about those?

and out of all them (zdnet, tomshardware, techspot, techpowerup and more ) they say the same thing there's no difference to be found in Win 7 and Win 8 regarding the performance in games.

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HunterICX

ok so when did they test windows 8 as window 8 was only released on Thursday last week as I have already said the beta version I used cant hold a candle to the full version and also was the rigs they tested it on just bench rigs or full systems and did they optimize the performance of windows 8 to there test rig spec's also was the same rig used to test both version and did they do a totally clean install before each test to remove any crap left. also what chipset was the Motherboards using Z68 or H61 or even a Z77 version because anything older than these you might as well go and make some toast.
also what type and speed of ram was used and to answer your questions yes on both times it was a clean install and on the same machine.
Im telling you whats right in front of me not tested by someone else but I see you just dont want to believe me so enough said

I know you're excited, but please pause for a breath once in awhile. In other words, use some punctuation.

Sites that benchmark always use a cleanly installed rig, the result wouldn't be worth anything if they didn't.

I don't see what the amount if ram was makes a difference as long as it was the same for both tests.

Finally, from me at the moment, If they can't benchmark a new release within 24 hours of release then that would be a poor do.

Sites that benchmark always use a cleanly installed rig, the result wouldn't be worth anything if they didn't.

AH yes you know this for sure do you


I don't see what the amount if ram was makes a difference as long as it was the same for both tests.

it don't eh


Finally, from me at the moment, If they can't benchmark a new release within 24 hours of release then that would be a poor do.

Ah but did they or was it the beta version

Right let's back up a wee bit; this for me is the key point why Win8 is not interesting:It was never really going to be faster. It is the same thing with a few tweaks, which according to tests by the people who know how to do these tests do not net any real-world improvement.

Then what's the point of getting windows 8?

If it is Windows 7 with a new flashy GUI and you turn off the new GUI, what is the point of it?


Every time someone mentions the GUI as a negative, the defenders point out you can turn it off. What they fail to realise is that they just said Windows 8 has no point, no place on a desktop where Windows 7 exists.

Windows 8 is the next vista, there is no doubting that.
Even Microsoft themselves understand that.

Now what is the defining trait of vista? Little to no enterprise adoption.

Sure, there are a vocal group that hates it(I never really hated it), but statistically, a tiny number of people actually downgraded their pcs that came with vista back to xp. (enterprises bought volume licenses, and are not counted.)

Now on this front, 8 is at best a vista. My school is just about to roll out 7, just like many other large organizations. No way are we moving to 8, we will probably just move to 9.

Fundamentally, windows 8 has many big advantages over 7. The oems have been screaming for a long time that 7 is no longer competitive against os x mountain lion. Windows 8 strikes back against mountain lion in every way imaginable. OS x has the dashboard, a collection of "light", iPad like apps, windows 8 has metro. Windows 8 has touchpad gesture support that is just as good as OS X if not better.

I think there is a learning curve, it will take maybe a day or two to get used to. But it has made my workflow much, much faster.

In fact, I would actually argue, that windows 8 represents the trend for the future. Every single desktop environment is moving towards the same direction. KDE, OS X, Gnome, Unity, etc.

The big thing about windows 8 is "glanceability", aka imagine this usage scenario:

I'm working on a spread sheet in Excel. And suddenly I get a facebook message.

On windows 8, I would be notified by a notification, and in one glance, I would get a good idea of the message, who its from and the subject. allowing me to make a quick decision within seconds, not even needing to lift fingers off the keyboard.

On windows 7, I would have to periodically login to facebook to check my messages. breaking my workflow, and requiring multiple clicks and possibly a login.

Or, consider that in windows 8, with one hit of the windows button, I would get a quick view of my email, latest news, latest weather, stock quotes, facebook updates, etc. and with another hit of the windows button, I would be back doing exactly what I was doing.

In order to do the same thing on windows 7, it would take me 5 minutes, visiting a dozen sites, and opening a dozen programs, completely breaking my concentration.


The concept of glanceability is one that all modern UIs are working towards. KDE had a pretty good implementation with its widget system, but I have to admit, it is much cruder than the windows implementation.

PS: windows store also sells desktop apps. Plus, it takes a much lower cut than traditional brick and mortar stores, and if your app is a big seller, Microsoft takes a 20% cut instead of 30% that apple takes.

There is actually quite a bit of an improvement with windows 8 for the desktop side.

For example, file system operations have become a LOT better. File transfers are pauseable now. Windows 8 also manages multiple file transfers at once better.

Hyper V is also available for free for windows 8 pro.

Drive extender allows much easier management of volumes spread between multiple hard drives. I personally use this a lot to organize my, um, adult video collection.

The task scheduler is supposed to actually unleash the performance of AMD's FX series now (or so I heard), I don't have one, so I really can't comment on it.

Native multitouch trackpad support, and native NFC.

Finally, the UI thread is optimized to give you less studdering, freezes and lag that you see in older versions of windows.

Good so we'll wait for Win 9

No it sucked.

Sorry but you lost me there completly.

First Win 7 doesn't break your workflow nor Concentration because it doesn't notify you when you get a new message it's you who is breaking your workflow and concentration by loggin into facebook.

You're the one distracting yourself by doing other things instead of concentrating on your work not the other way around.

Also Win 8 would then most likely to distract you as it let's you know when someones writing to you or posting something on FB or other social medias by notifications which you'll probally want to respond to thus breaking your workflow and concentration.

HunterICX

Excuse me But have I not said that on my rig its IS faster. You have shown my quote then say its not true it is really like talking to a broken record isn't it I have used both versions and for me Windows 8 is better and faster. But hey you can carry on burying your heads in the rubbish you read and quote

Tyrant,

one really has to differ between the platform type. On touchscreens and tablets and actually even smartphones, Metro actually might be functioning good. That is what this gesture stuff is being developed for, right?

But for the normal home PC, using a normal screen and mouse and keyboard, it is completely pointless, even more, it works ergonomically significantly worse than the pre-W8 design.

There might be internal security features that make W8 taking the lead over W7, I read about some memory safety features, I admit that was a bit too much techy as if I really understood that stuff in depth. But the features you listed as advantages, for me - and I assume for many others as well - are simply uninteresting. I do not care whether I can pause file transfers, or can have two such processes at the same time. That is nice to gain some points in an academical test, but the relevance for the ordinary PC handling of the ordinary home user - not to mention gamer - is close to zero.

Microsoft does not agree that it is customer-orientation when you design and sell products that customers want, but thinks it must force the customer to buy what MS thinks it SHOULD want. That is at the heart of the problem, and Microsoft wants it this way because as I explained earlier it wants to piush customers into stricter dependency from its now rising own appstore, like Apple does with its own customers since years, and Amazon does with its tablet, and Google.

Establishing the Microsoft appstore and training customers to accept being dependent of that like Apple users are only able to buy via appstore - this is the primary and imo even only real intention and mission objective of W8, that is why they ignored criticism of Metro during the Beta phase, and it explains why the Start button has gone, and the start menu, and why Microsoft tries hard to get people away from wanting the traditional, non-app-based Windows design, and go for Metro even on hardware where using metro makes no sense. Ergonomically and technically it makes no sense to install Metro on a non-touch-screen system. But Commercially, and financially, and long-term-strategically, it makes all sense you could desire! - IMO this is all one needs to know about W8. And since a PC software market no longer free for developers and modders and 2nd hand buyers ( mind you, all this campaigning against software pirates and for security is mostly done to dry out the second hand market) might be commercially lucrative for Microsoft, but is at the cost of customer interests, I hope that W8 fails miserably. Microsoft must suffer financially and so dearly that the pain makes it rethinking the plan and split the OS developement again - one in the Metro format for tablets, smartphones and touchscreen, one in the traditional Windows format.


Actually form the little I saw, for tablets Metro might be pretty good. But I do not want a tablet. And I totally hate appstore philosophies and the resulting dependency and the power that just one company has on future software design. The Game market already has suffered from consoles. Tailoring it even more towards a handful of standard schemes, will do even more damage, and things like niche games and simulations you can probably forget completely sooner or later.

That would be a good idea if windows 8 had been done this way it would not be causing the comments it is.
But saying that even for a old git like myself the way the apps work has a lot of avantages too if you move them to the desk top they change the way they work. even internet explorer 10 from the desktop is worth using.

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