there is no "EU banking" crisis, but a banking crisis, and regarding the EU: a crisis of general trust that was betrayed in general. The banking in London City or America is as effected and is as corrupt. And many of the critical financial "products" that have overflooded the market with dubious, highly suspicious constructs - were brainchilds of anglosaxon banking and economy philosphy.

Not to mention the "print more money!" conception, which also is explicitly pushed by the Anglosaxon business culture. Most dubious actor here is the US Fed.

The EU is corrupt, But corrupt is also the big busines world. Business lobbyism. Investement banks. Wall Street. IMF. Etc etc etc.

"Finanzprodukte" (fincial products). The mere term and idea already is a complete declaration of intellectual bancruptcy.

"their members have been at peace for decades", that is relative. In 1945 the US had about the same amount of troops in Germany as Nazi Germany had with its Allies when they attacked the Soviet Union in 1941: three millions. In Europe throughout history we never had a longer period without war since the end of WW II, very relative. We have to get used to it.
There was never a war between EU members. If you refer to the conflicts on the Balkans, there were no EU members back then. They now want to become EU members. U can't become a EU member if you go to war with your neighbour,

This is similar to giving president Obama the Nobel Peace prize as soon as he took office.

Way too premature, and laughable.

I guess even the Nobel commitee has forsaken its integrity.

Makes me wary of any of its other winners, the most recent ones seem to be politically driven.

I can point out quite a few things bad about the so called "unity"

I'll start with Germany and France floating the bills at all costs to hold this farce together.

It's like giving the Nobel Price in Economics to the ones who invented the Euro..... it's hilariously ridiculous. :haha:

HunterICX

Well, the Norwegians thought maybe completely different paths....

Update for Skybird...

Yes the city mile here is 100% corrupt but not for much longer, looks like this nest of vipers are set to jump on the ferry and take up resistance in Ireland. I of course will be keeping a eye on this story.

Reminds me of the rats that are first to leave a sinking ship.

They don't like the regulations on the way, only time will tell if these are tough new regulations or watered down full of loop holes regulations, ferry on stand by just in case.

I don't think so (warning, graphic image).

And he will be right.

Europeanist elites who never cease to congratulate themselves can be happy now, while all peoples in Europe notice everyday that the european union has no more to do with the European Dream.

In fact, all prizes in the world as well as all kinds of declarations won't do anything. The european union is no more the Europe of Peace. It is no more the Europe of the treaty of Rome. A few decades ago, the once free, fraternal and prosperous Peoples of Europe celebrated the beneficial effects brought by their mighty union.
It is no more the Europe of the free Peoples nowadays. No one would ever dare to put that in question.

What once was the Europe of Peace, is not to be considered as what the european union is nowadays. For the last 20 years, the federalist and technocratic Europe has got to see no more than failures. The european union these days, is the one of declining factories closing one after another, the one of massive unemployment, the one of uncontrolled immigration, the one of the Italian and Spanish Peoples in the streets, the one of bankers and money market. The european union nowadays, is the end of Democracies.
As it let non-elected technocrats establish authoritarian policies throughout the whole continent, the european union let tensions and old scars reappear on its side. In Athens, when Merkel is welcomed by the Greek People - overburdened with illegitimate and criminal policies - showing swastikas, does anyone really think Peace, Progress and Brotherood gain ground in Europe ?

The so-called european union is the worst enemy of the peaceful Europe. Apparatchiks in Brussels enslave the Peoples that the fathers of the treaty of Rome once had reconciled.

This Nobel prize is posthumously awarded to Europe.
This warm tribute to this defunct yet admirable ideology will hopefully draw the attention of Peoples, letting them recall the fact that Europe has got to be a dream, and not this cold nightmare everyone's got to live everyday.

Same in America, cept we find a few scapegoats. Just wait unti the bond bubble burst.

Not looking good the bond market, so much bond debt being hidden the bubble is looking dodgy.

STEED,remember that if the EU wants to have a meeting invite them home to you, so we avoid taxpayer bill, :arrgh!:

I need two and a half more years then after my investments in that section are matured....the bubble can go BANG!!!!!! :)

I haven't got the room. :har:

It's funny how the people here make the EU responsible for everything...it's good to have a scapegoat, isn't it? Makes life easy, doesn't it?

It's new to me that the EU caused the finance crisis...has it forced countries to make debts? Oh, ah the Euro is the problem...sure...that's a good, additional, backup-scapegoat, isn't it?
Oh, U.K hasn't the Euro but indeed also has a lot of debts and economical problems...but anyways, yes the Euro is to blame, I agree...

It's new to me that people in the southern hemisphere are justified to go out to the streets and blame the EU. Please, what do you have done with all the money you got from the EU in the last decades?!?!? Was it not enough? What have other countries made of it like Ireland??? What have other non-EU countries made of their country with much less money given - like South-Korea?
When the EU made an error then it made the fatal error to give money continually with no feedback and monitoring loop...but again that was a political decision by the national leaders.

It's new to me that the EU refused to reform itself...who has fought like in Verdun in WWI for every piece of that reform to vanish...was it the EU?
No, it wasn't the EU, it was some of the elected national leaders, which have done this politics in compliance with the majority of their people...so whose fault is this ???
Ah the reason was that the reform was not good enough...you have striven for the perfect reform, which means perfect for you. The problem with this attitude is that every nation and everybody has another view of a 'perfect' reform...thus mankind invented the term 'compromise'^^ The alternative is you wait for infinity to get an solution...just fyi...

It's new to me that we live in the 80's in the 20th century. Have you realized there is a very big player, named China and other Asia states, out there? How should Europe deal with that? Perhaps each and every state should be (politically) get eaten by China sequentially..is this what you want? Do you want that this country dictate at the end indirectly social standards?

No, In the end most of the EU haters do not want to have a united Europe...that's simply it...they hide it by saying they want it but of crs not with that EU...but it would need to have this and that...blabla...sure and I wait until Christmas and Eastern are celebrated at the same day to see this happen.

@Hawk66

This area of the forum is General Topics and as such people are entitled to air their views and opinions on most topics.

Healthy debate is fine just so long as nobody resorts to insults and name calling which would mean a violation of the rules here.

I've read your post with interest and note you have done as many others, myself included, have done which is simply giving your viewpoint.

FYI I'm anti EU like so many UK people and as such, wait with anticipation for the day we pull out.

It looks to me like you are pro EU which is fine as far as I'm concerned.

Keep a cool head my friend...tis only a debate after all.

I've not insulted anybody or have used any insulting words.

Frankly, I've the impression that I need to justify myself for a minority opinion here.
I will discontinue any further political discussions from now on.