I still live in the 1990's lol

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In 2000, the Tribune Company, parent company of the Chicago Tribune and the area's KTLA, purchased the Los Angeles Times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Los_Angeles_Times

So forgive me already :yep:

I can't find the connection, but only remember it being reported that LDS owned 90% in the 1980's as reported in a Catholic ownED San Diego Union Tribune story.

You don't have to own the whole thing if you have most of the stock. I also tried to find out who owns costco (price club), but finally gave up due to they just plainly don't want you to know unless you pay a research center it is useless to find on your own.

Sorry to make this about LA instead of Iran :o



or you could ask this man what they own?

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon410.htm

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I thought you might find interesting this transcript of the US Senate Committee case regarding Mormon Senator Reed Smoot. Where did Mormon Church President Smith find time for meditation, let alone revelation? Senate Committee Testimony Transcript: Mr. Tayler (Senate Attorney):What is your business? Mr. Smith (Mormon Prophet and President): My principle business is that of president of the church. Mr. Tayler: In what other business are you engaged? Mr. Smith: I am engaged in NUMEROUS other businesses. Mr. Tayler: What? Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of Zion's Cooperative Mercantile Institution. Mr. Tayler: Of what other corporations are you an officer? Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the State Bank of Utah, another institution. Mr. Tayler: What else? Mr. Smith: PRESIDENT of Zion's Savings Bank and Trust Company. Mr. Tayler: What else? Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the Utah Sugar Company. Mr. Tayler: What else? Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the Consolidated Wagon and Machine Company. Mr. Tayler: What else? Mr. Smith: There are several other SMALL INSTITUTIONS with which I am associated. Mr. Tayler: Are you associated with the Utah Light and Power Company? Mr. Smith: I am. Mr. Tayler: In what capacity? Mr. Smith: I am a director and PRESIDENT of the company. Mr. Tayler: A director and the president? Mr. Smith: Yes, sir. Mr. Tayler: Had you that in mind when you classified the others as 'small concerns'? Mr. Smith: No sir, I had not that in mind. Mr. Tayler: That is a 'large concern'? Mr. Smith: That is a large concern? Mr. Tayler: Are you an officer of the Salt Lake and Los Angeles Railroad Company? Mr. Smith: I am. Mr. Tayler: What? Mr. Smith: PRESIDENT and director. Mr. Tayler: Of what else are you President? Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the Salt Air Beach Company. Mr. Tayler: What else, if you can recall. Mr. Smith: I DO NOT RECALL JUST NOW! Mr. Tayler: What relation do you sustain to the Idaho Sugar Company? Mr. Smith: I am a director of that company and also the PRESIDENT of it. Mr. Tayler: Of the Inland Crystal Salt Company? Mr. Smith: Also the SAME POSITION THERE. Mr. Tayler: The Salt Lake Dramatic Association? Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of that and also a DIRECTOR. Mr. Tayler: Are you president of any other corporation there? Mr. Smith: I DO NOT KNOW. PERHAPS YOU CAN TELL ME!! I DO NOT REMEMBER ANY MORE JUST NOW! Mr. Tayler: It would seem that the number has grown so large that it would be an undue tax upon your memory to charge you with naming them all. Mr. Smith: What relation do you sustain to the Salt Lake Knitting Company? Did I already ask you about it? Mr. Smith: No sir, you did not. Mr. Tayler: The Salt Lake Knitting Company? Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of it, and also a director. Mr. Tayler: The Union Pacific Railway Company? Mr. Smith: I am a DIRECTOR. Mr. Tayler: Are you an official of any mining companies? Mr. Smith: Yes, sir. Mr. Tayler: What? Mr. Smith: I am the vice-president of the Bullion, Beck and Champion Mining Company. Mr. Tayler: The Deseret News? Mr. Smith: No, sir. Mr. Tayler: You have no business relations with that? Mr. Smith: NO SIR. Mr. Tayler: Is the Deseret News the 'organ of the Church'? Mr. Smith: Well, I suppose it is in some sense the 'organ of the church'. It is not opposed to the church, at least. Mr. Tayler: It has for years published, has it not, at the head of its columns, that it is "the organ of the church", or the "official organ of the church"? Mr. Smith: Not that I know of. Mr. Tayler: Do you know who owns it? Mr. Smith: How is that? Mr. Tayler: Do you know who owns it? Mr. Smith: I know who owns the building that it is in. Mr. Tayler: Who owns the building in which it is published? Mr. Smith: The church. Mr. Tayler: The church? Mr. Smith: Yes, sir. Mr. Tayler: Tell us what you know about the owners of that newspaper. Mr. Smith: It has been for a number of years past owned by a company --- AN INCORPORATED COMPANY. Mr. Tayler: What is the name of the company? Mr. Smith: The Deseret News Publishing Company. Mr. Tayler: Do you know who its officers are? Mr. Smith: No, it is not owned by that company. Mr. Tayler: Oh, it is not? Mr. Smith: No; it is not. Mr. Tayler: What do you know ---- Mr. Smith: But I say for years it was owned by a company of that kind. Mr. Tayler: What do you know about its present ownership? Mr. Smith: I presume that the present ownership is IN THE CHURCH. Mr. Tayler: You suppose the present owner is 'the church'? Mr. Smith: Yes, sir; the church. Mr. Tayler: I do not want to have any misconstruction put upon your use of the word 'presume' because you do not know that it is so owned? Mr. Smith: I really do not know so that I could tell you positively. Mr. Tayler: Who would know? Mr. Smith: I PRESUME I could find out. Mr. Tayler: Could you find out before you leave Washington? Mr. Smith: Perhaps so. (SOURCE: Reed Smoot Case transcript, Vol. 1, pp. 81, 82, 83, 86, 87, and 88) A day later, because the ownership of the Deseret News and its articles were keys to the case, Joseph F. Smith testified: Mr. Tayler: In what form does your church have title to the Deseret News property? Mr. Smith: It owns the deed. Mr. Tayler: I am speaking of the newspaper, not the building. Mr. Smith: The press; yes. I would like to state that when I was asked that question before, Mr. Tayler, I was not aware of the fact that I have since learned from my counsel here that during the trusteeship of Lorenzo Snow the Deseret News plant was transferred from the Deseret News Company to Lorenzo Snow, trustee, in trust. I was not aware of the fact, Mr. Chairman, when that question was asked me yesterday, I believe it was. I have since learned that that is the fact and that my counsel who is here made out the papers for the transfer. ..... Mr. Tayler: So that it is now in YOU as trustee in trust? Mr. Smith: NOW I OWN IT AS TRUSTEE IN TRUST. Furthermore, I will say that I have discovered since yesterday that there is published on the second or third page of the Deseret News the statement that it is the "organ of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" (Reed Smoot case, Vol. 1, page 158). As you can see, the Mormon Church has been about business for a very long time.

The Wiki page was my starting point in my search. I notice there is a reference to a book, but no ownership listing in the article between 1980 and 2004. That's interesting, but I still see no connection with the church.

I live in Utah, and I'm well aware of the plethora of companies the Church owns, or used to own. Still, there is no reference to the Times in that transcript, so I'm not sure I see the point.

It's all good, and I wouldn't put it past them. I just wanted to see some evidence for a claimed "fact".

If you think that Sweden is generous, then come to Norway. Those that gets thrown out comes back a few months later. Some have been thrown out up to five-six times and are still coming back. Drug runners, rapers, killers and the like. 60% of Norways jail population comes from countries like Somalia, other north African countries and some ME nations. These are the ones that rape and kill. Many here thinks that the immigration policy is way to loose.

You can't really go all the way in understanding the wealth and power of the LDS church ...

Excuse me I hear a knocking on the door I will have to break off any further research;

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/07/02/us...on-a-year.html

I've always liked Norway, was not so long ago I was in Oslo surroundings .... and I agree that the refugee problem is not easy to deal with, perhaps, countries begin to cooperate more for it to be good, Norway and Sweden has very close relations with most things, and have had it for a very long time .... maybe it should be started here in Scandinavia, and refugees from other countries.

This reminds me of a childhood thought I had.

Pardon if it rambles off topic.

But I grew up in NYC.

I always found it amazing, even to this day, how if you walk 2 blocks out of little Italy, how the faces would change from white to Chinese (Chinatown is literally blocks away)

I do not mind ethnic enclaves, just watch where you eat. :) I got asked to leave a place in Chinatown because I was disturbing the customers with my whiteness. They implied my food would not be as good, and perhaps I could find another place. Though my soda was free.

That is where I learned what gwailo meant.

I went back to Mulberry street and ate at Umbertos instead.

I remember what I put down the plate somewhere..:shucks:

Maybe you were one of those places if you understand my meaning. A front business I bet they had a mahjong polar and they did not like your presence for that reason.

In the US you do have alot of ethnic neighborhoods some places don't really care if you are one of their kind or not some places do. I recall once in Germany I was going to the Bad Durkheim festival with some friends and we had to wait an hour for the train to sow up that would take us there.Well we decided to have a quick drink while we waited and we went into the first bar that we see.The bar lady was fairly nice and did get us our drinks but all of the other patrons seemed slightly displeased by our presence.That is when I noticed that they all had on blue coveralls this was a Blaumänner bar in other words skilled tradesmen and they have alot more pride than american blue color workers have.We where not one of them so they did not really want us there so we drank our beers and left.

Also some cultures are just not trusting of outsiders very much a good example are polynesians and other non whites from Hawaii they can be very friendly to anyone but they tend to
not trust outsiders.I made some fairly good friends with Hawaiians in the military sometimes they have get togethers and there will be very few non natives there so if you got invited that means the person who asked you to come considers you to be a very good friend and you'll probably be the only white person there and some will consider you a manahonie(crazy person) until they find out why you are there.

I understand!

Maybe they thought he was JC Denton from Deus Ex and that he wanted something from them but when Soopaman made no offer to aid the triad they asked him to leave with a soda of course.

Nothing wrong with immigrants but it's always sad and disgusting when so many are allowed in they start becoming the majority in areas.Dearborn, MI is one example. I have some persians in my class, I find them rather annoying because they smell.Not being racist but they walk by and definitely smell it, guess they don't adapt the bathing habits of the west.

:har:

You are smelling your upper lip lower one as well.

I bet native Americans feel the way you do only thy have a justified reason to feel that way.

Why do you even bother to attempt to not sound racist and then you are being racist.

Give me your address I'll have all my 100% Iranian Persian and Lur relatives visit you they will bring all of their non white friends with them and plenty of good food.Maybe some Arabs from Dearborn as well.Maybe have my grandmothers(the white one as well) give you a hug you sound as if you are in dire need of one.

lol no they do not....

They fought back and were conquered.Sucks but when you lose a war and are conquered, you just have to suck it up.Ask Germany, Japan etc.Same thing, they didnt.

Sad part is the "smelly" ones I talk about probably do not deserve to be in my school, most likely affirmative action got them in bc they just don't come across as very bright, often seem confused in class etc.They obviously had to meet a certain GPA LSAT etc but would bet some non ethnic students were denied entry even though they had higher scores etc They stick together, always wonder what they are planning.

You are by far the most entertaining person on subsim because you think that people take you seriously yet no one does people respond to you just to see you go and to have a laugh.It is really pathetic that you fail to realize this.



I know what they are planning...the best way to avoid your presence actually they likely do not even notice you or ignore you but I am betting that you rarely say what you feel in public call it a hunch.

What do you think when you see two white men sitting together talking they are not suspect but how do you know that they are not members of some extremist group planning
something? Might be like McVeigh or they could even be Islamic militants them selves for all you know.

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:

Poor bubbles, the more he writes the more you see of him and it is certainly an ugly portrait.

They said that more than one hundred years ago, about the Irish and the Italians. You've now fallen to repeating long-standing racist comments and sentiments.

Nor do you, with your abominable writing and communication skills. You still haven't learned to discuss things with reason.

A couple of months ago, I was thinking about how calm everyone had been this cycle. I'm glad I didn't say anything, as since then we've had daily conspiracy rants from yubba, 1480's call for a military coup to oust the President and presumably run the nation, and now young Bubblehead's blatent racism. If I were to make a compilation of this stuff we could call it Republicans Gone Wild.

Is it November yet?

Does it make a huge difference?

I think it does. While we always have politically-based argument on the boards, and some of it quite heated, it doesn't normally come with a side dish of crazy outside of election time.