He is not suspened in mid air.

Someone hung him from a mooring cleat by the elastic of his underwear... :03:

This is one of those times I wish the Kaleun smilies had a "faceplam" option. :k_confused::doh:

As some one wrote a nice practice target and i think it is.

I do not see any problems for the US's ASW to find and perhaps if needed sink her.

However a well trained and determined crew, could get so near a CVBG that she can deliever a few eels against the Carrier, before she is detected or manege to disappear.

I Have very little knowledge about the US's ASW-doctrine, but I believe that they do NOT underestimate any threat.

Markus

Taking into consideration that in 2006 during an exercise Chinese SSK surfaced with in firing range from USS Kitty Hawk (CV-62), escorted by several surface vessels and at my understanding by two SSNs, I wouldn't put my bet on that.

Also in my undertanding that boat managed to slip away after it was noticed...

The RAN has a gallery of images taken from very close range, what they call an "underwater look", of the hull, screws and rudder of almost every class of US carrier, a tradition that started with the Oberons and continues with the Collins class today supposedly.

In another exercise the SSK Gotland was credited with the simulated sinking of the U.S.S Ronald Reagan -CVN-76.

Didn't the USN 'rent' the Gotland for a while, to test?

:yep:

Not quite...they were on a twelve month deployment tasked to assist the US in various exercises.

I think the boat has a "sail" not a "conning tower".

In the other hand, I don´t think a Kilo class sub, even older, could be underestimated, more if she is operating in the Persian Gulf.

On a Russian boat its called a 'fin'.

But it is highly doubtful that the Iranian's would operate their Kilos in the Gulf. There are large portions of the Gulf where the depths don't exceed periscope depth and others where it is only as deep as the length of the submarine. Their Ghadir class submarines are intended for orientations in the Gulf (hence the submarine tunnels at IRGCN bases in the Gulf), while the Kilos are meant for operations in the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea (there is an Iranian naval base under construction/expansion near the border of Pakistan that is believed to be the new Kilo base).

This nautical map shows the Straits of Hormuz and the Gulf of Oman.

http://www.oceangrafix.com/chart/det...rait-of-Hormuz

The map clearly shows a "submarine training area" northeast of the shipping lanes, placing it in striking position of commercial shipping. The map doesn't show the naval base at Bandar-e Abbas, where the Kilos are currently based at. Google Maps clearly shows a Kilo docked there...along with a good portion of the Iranian Navy.:haha:

It is. Seen enough pictures of them. Iran doesn't have any other types of subs besides its collection of midget subs and the three Kilos.

Yes, she is a Kilo class.

My point is that a Kilo class, even old, is still a formidable foe.

Regards,

:hmm2:

:smug:

You are going to base that assessment on a 10 year old chart? ;)

The new IRGCN submarine base in the Gulf is located at +26° 43' 9.68", +55° 58' 21.65" (The IRIN does not base their Kilos out of here)

The new Iranian naval base under construction (for a while now :haha: ) is at Chabahar.

It seems that no mtter how hard I try, I make a damn fool of myself.:damn: