Still the Twin Towers where occupied 24/7 so people would have noticed the all the noise made when they place explosives for a demo.Anyone that believes that part of the theory just is not using common sense to think that not one person would say why are these guys drilling holes :hmmm:.

I think also it would take much more than just two weeks two months sounds more believable and that would be at a demo job where they worked all day and where not trying hide anything.

How is a demo job done?
http://science.howstuffworks.com/eng...implosion1.htm

Notice what the supports look like? they removed all of the concrete around them to make them even weaker that would make a ton of noise and nobody in two buildings that where occupied 24/7 noticed all that noise?Right.................:06:

As I said, they never explain how no one noticed all that going on.

[edit] Ah, Stealhead beat me to it. :sunny:

For me it is really amazing with what conspiracy nonsense people on the net fill their spare time...9/11 is just one example; the other is the moon landing.

Their are a lot of well-researched books and papers available, which explain the root cause of this tragedy, mainly the ineffective cooperation between the government agencies.

I was being generous and only laughing at the sillyness of the "truther" theories.
If I was being less generous I would go to the source for some nice comments by the author of that video he linked to like....
....and say .....Catfish you really are something special to be linking to idiots like that and asking to be taken seriously, you would be lucky if people only laughed at that bigoted rubbish you are pushing

Ah yes, the Jews. Always the Jews, isn't it? Considering how few of them there are, they must all be very busy, what with all the world domination and international finance and media and stuff. Personally, I think it's nice to see some motivated self starters making something of themselves.

I'm with Tribesman on this. I have become increasingly impressed with the way so many conspiracy theories these days eventually boil down to 'Teh Jews Did it." So much of the troofer movement just seems to be good old anti-semitism in a modern guise. Unfortunately, it's beginning to feel like I can say that about a number of things these days.

Agree with that, Governments are notoriosly bad a keeping secrets, and if 9/11 were a conspiricy, it would have involved an awful lot of people, thats said what so called 'whistle blowers' that have surfaced have either been ignored or ridiculed at nuts.

The problem being, that the debunking is supported by the same type of speculation and straw man arguments that support the very conspiricy theories they intend to debunk. There is no conclusive or solid evidence to support either.
The fact that the full ins and outs of what happened on 9/11 is not supported by by any real substance or scientific fact is why the whole thing is left wind open to speculation, that is the bottom line.
People are left to 'choose' what to believe.

I guess my real question is why was the official investigation so poor? ground zero was crime scene and it was destroyed before any proper investigation or forensics could be carried out, that is what troubles me the most.

The other problem is this attitude that any one who questions 9/11 automatically deserves to be laughed at, insulted or ridiculled, some times the response is 'HOW DARE YOU'. that kind of attitude is dangerous, history has proven that the majority who hold poplular opinion can indeed be easily misled.
Also, questioning 9/11 is no more disrepectful to the the victims, than questioning the sinking of the titantic is disrespctful to the victims of that, people should really stop playing that song.

On the flip side, some 9/11 truthers do set themselves up for this kind of response but posting some ridiculous videos on youtube, with claims of orbs or holograms and god knows what else. ususually showing freeze framed zoomed in footage of the same grainy videos we have all seen a thousand times - while claiming is proof of <insert conspricy>
Some are way too obsessive, constantly looking for things which arent there....now that is rather sad and desperate.

So yeah Im still on the fence for this one.

Where did some of you get the "jewish conspiracy" from ?

On the fence, right - i don' really believe either side.

I did not say i believe it "just so", without lots of doubt left - there are.
But most of you evade the questions and facts posted in the vid. It is of no importance for me whether it was a UAV or a missile, as long it obviously cannot have been a jet airplane. From parts found to such jet parts missing, to the plane then having made a 270 degrees manoeuver to hit that reinforced and empty part of the pentagon.
Or the WTC's concrete being pulverized below the actual impact, as the explosives specialists from all over the world explain (also not all in this vid). From the explosions happening far below the impact, the outblowing concrete cannot have been pulverized by a fire - and this happens before the top crumbles.
B.t.w there has been an assassination try before that, where explosives were hidden in the WTC some time before 9/11. There are also videos of tons of material being brought into the building, if not in this video.

Let's end it here, i am not convinced - by either side.

From the person who made the video you linked to on the "truther" website he is promoting in his video.
Its very easy, you can either look at his name or you can look at the web address, both are in the opening titles of that stupid crap you posted and asked people to look at.
I am terribly sorry, I didn't realise that when you were asking people to look you didn't want them to look or that you hadn't looked yourself.

Am I feeling free to laugh again?

Well 911 is real, but the moon landing was clearly faked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mouUUWpEec0

Sheeesh, This is easy to settle. Why don't we just ask one of the crew members of this "so called moon landing"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUI36tPKDg4

Uh on second thought, let's not ask him. :D

I think you hit the nail just about on the head. 911 wasn't an inside job, but it was an opportunity for the bush administration (one that had obviously just botched the whole role of national security and allowed it to happen) to cash in on the tragic deaths of Americans on that day. They used it as a PR fiesta. The wold was sympathetic to our plight, american people were united...and what did they do? Get us into 2 pointless wars for no really good reason.

Yep, they pretty much cashed in and tried to ride that gravy train to 2008. and they really almost did

You Democrats just won't accept responsibility for anything you did now will you? :dead:

Why don;t you man up a little?

Bush was in office for nine months before 9-11 that's hardly time to get settled in, especially after 8 years of Democratic foreign policy mismanagement. The intelligence and political failures that led to 9-11 and the two subsequent happened long before he ever took office.

Could you elaborate to foreigner what you mean with those "intelligence and political failures"?

He means the decision to invade Iraq was down to the democrats and their made up intelligence which they sent Powell to the UN with, and then it was the democrats who went ahead with their pushing on plan after the UN said "meh" and the french said "thats made up bollox not intelligence".
Get with the program kraznji and man up, the 2 wars after 9/11 are down to the democrats especially the one that had absolutely nothing to do with anything remotely connected to 9/11

No, he doesn't mean that at all. The Clinton administration had Osama at one point but let him get away.

There were Republicans on those committees as well. Team R likes to forget that. Team D likes to point the whole mess at Bush 43. This is the problem with modern politics. 9/11 represented a failure of the entire system. Every foreign policy entity. Every intelligence service. Every aspect of American leadership. For the past 30 years they have failed the people.

Ahem, yet they still happened under Bushes watch and it was the bush adminstration who pushed for them, not that it matters :yawn: - since the Dems would have done no different anyway, When it comes to the big issues like foreign policy, monetry policy, national security etc the Dems and Reps hardly differ at all.
I cant believe people still buy into these petty partisan theatrics.

Look at the 2012 election its Goldman sachs vs Goldman sachs, oh sorry I mean Romney vs Obama. kindly explain to me what is the difference? as best i can tell they agree on just about everything.
Both candiates are hollow men, serial flip-floppers who seemly dont have any conviction or a solid opinion on anything, Obama will likley win - his only real advantage being that his flip-flop track record isnt quite as long as Romney's.
America is on a fixed course and has been for well over a decade, Weather its Reps or Dems at the helm is just apples and oranges. Two wings of the same bird.

but but but I have to be able to blame the opposing political party don't I?

How can my side be better than your side if you insist that it was everyone's mistake????

Someone has to be the point of blame and it better be on the other political party's side. Get it?

What kind of an American are you anyway?????

It is ALWAYS "their" fault. :D

Of course there were. I was just clarifying August's statement. Everybody likes to point the finger anywhere but at themselves.

And not one of them got so much as slap on the wrist, i hear alot of them got promoted though!

No, the two subsequent actions are the attempt to do Afghanistan on the cheap and the entirely unrelated waste of time in Iraq.
One can be linked as it involved trying to get to Bin Laden, but since he includes both he cannot have meant that.