One of my favorites the entire series that is one of the few games that manages to stay on my hard drive.

All this talk about making the people move closer to the cities, or into them, I think I figured it out." Do tell us yubba, how would they make the masses move closer to the cities", well I believe, they would cut the power, under the guise, that the grid can't support the rural areas under the new epa regulations . So how many coal fire electric plants are going to shut down this summer.??? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1234611.html that says alot will be closed. Maybe, I was not looking at this right, maybe the plan should be stay put, and not give up any ground, but sooner or later I'll have to make a move.

that's what a wheel barrow is for, until I can commandere a Pt boat, plus a wheel barrow turns into a comfortable lounge chair, with padding it makes a nice bed.

Me too. I got spurs.

Do they jingle jangle jingle?

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/gta_444fba_1312411.jpg

By the way, what will you power the PT boat with? :hmmm:

Yeah, no buggin out til that's done!;)

Meanwhile in Canada:
http://www.emergencyinfobc.gov.bc.ca...you-ready.html :DL
(official website from the BC govenment)

Whatever desaster you think might happen (Zombiemayans, Canada invading or Santorium becoming President), it isn't bad to be prepared, at least for some days without outside help. Just remember the Kathrina experience.

Most people forget an important tool: information.
If you don't think that all electronics are fried, it would be sensible to carry a pocket reader (tablet, smartphone, kindle and the like, plus a solar charger and spare batteries)
You can store tons of infos on those, maps, books about edible plants, different shelter techniques, etc, etc,)

Oh yeah, we were joking about it just yesterday. Hell we've been joking about it our entire time house hunting. "Look hun we can but our doomsday preps in this room!". :har:

Yeah, my first thought was. "umm dude, the cold war's been over for years now". Nuclear bunker.. yeah cool, but from who is he expecting these ICBM's from is what i wanna know. :haha:

Oh and assuming you do have bunker, what are you gonna do? Put your life on hold, not go to work, and sit there and watch TV listening for the non existant air raid sirens? Odds are, with a 10 min window, national TV and radio would be lucky to get a broadcast out assuming they made one at all.

Yeah i thought that too. "How's he gonna feed that sucker?" And as hes talking about putting camo netting on his trailer i was thinking, "Dude, why not drop the god damn trailer and increase your mobility a little bit?"

Yeah the whole doomsday thing was already engrained here. Most mormons have some emergency food storage in their basements. Here's a funny tidbit, while house hunting our real estate agent was telling us about this client she had that was a hardcore catholic, and how every house he looked at, he was cursing, "Damn mormon food storage!" every time he toured the basement in a house. :har:


I'm not sure what it is. I think its a combination of social quirks in our society. All this doomsday prepping it's like a combination of Mad Max, Red dawn and zombie apocolypse. I think many people who are unhappy with their jobs, economic and political situation actually WANT "the world" to end. Its my hypothesis that an end of world scenario represents TOTAL freedom to some people, and they crave that release from job, money, things they dislike, etc. It's like they think they'll have their guns, their complete independence, and have a good ole time. One could probably write an essay as to what's sparking this prepping fade.

Yup, same one who calls the handgun she puts in a can of dehydrated peas as her "pea shooter". When we saw that episode we died laughing. The lead in to the interview with her was hilarious. Its like, "hey that neighborhood looks familar.. so do those mountains.. Hey that flag looks like the Macy's flag," then they show the lady and where she's from and we were, "you gotta be kidding me....." Nope. :har:

For whatever reasons, i think they want it to end.

You are probably correct about some seeing such events as "true freedom" which is a bit silly when you think about it why not just move to remote Alaska or really any remote area of any state and just live more or less off the land you can go do that right now if you wanted to :hmmm:.

That little fact makes me think that for many it is really more of a fantasy maybe it will happen but they must not truly want to live that way because you can live an of the grid lifestyle without having the world end.

Most of these types I think they have limited actual experience "roughing it" or with survival skills such things take actual experience you don't just go read a Boy Scout manual and then buy the materials and think that will do if you have no actual muscle memory with knots or have never tried to catch and clean game or truly raise crops or livestock you ca not expect to do very well when suddenly you are doing it to survive.

My dad went through survival training in the military at one point they had to capture and kill a hare just with basic tools it was not very easy and then they had to skin and clean the things
one guy he had his hare all ready for cleaning or so he thought when he went to start skinning it the thing started crying in pain he had not killed it the guy had never killed a living thing before and was held aback by the event and one of the instructors yelled at him to finish the hare off or go hungry the point was when you have nothing you have to take what ou can get even if you do not like it.

These people seem to think that having some supplies and a some guns and bullets and they will survive anything when the most important tool/weapon is your brain.

The value of information is also key as was said earlier so radios are important with a short term disaster in particular long term you would need a HAM radio or know someone that dose a HAM would be very useful long term because you can talk to people hundreds even thousands of miles away very useful for finding out what is going on.

There is a way to protect electronics from getting fried as well a Faraday cage the military uses them supposedly you can make one though how well it would work is anyone's guess you will also find them at power plants and power generation stations.

Well, i'm not saying everybody "prepping" wants something bad to happen, but i think a good number do, and probably don't even realize it. There does seem to be a sense that something bad or something significant is going to happen in the future though. Hell even i think something significant (and negative) will happen in my lifetime, though I don't think its going to bring about the "without Rule of law" OMG the world has ended scenario that many "preppers" seem to.

Going out on a limb, i think ill list various bullet points that i think are contributing to this whole "prepping" fade. This isn't all inclusive, just stuff off the top of my head:


* Economy
- housing bubble bursting,
- The ever increasing deficit we've acquired from fighting a protracted war on two fronts
- Increasing debt ceiling
- the entire situation regarding the bank bailouts
- increasing disparity between income classes.
- Fear of global economic collapse

*Oil ( This could probably be put under economy but this is so large it deserves its on point. )
- Lots of fear regarding oil shortage. The reasons are many: Not enough drilling, not enough to drill, oil has peaked and in decline, oil might be embargoed cause of middle east BS, etc etc list goes on.

- lack of oil equates to lack of food, services, goods, jobs.


* Political.
- Vitriol between political beliefs is very high right now, people are divided.

- Black president. This is bigger then what most people here might want to admit. Yes its racial. My father in law i hear CRIED when Obama took office. Some label him as the Antichrist. Others question his citizenship. There's so many quirks in the way of belief and opinion surrounding Obama its quite amazing if you look at the larger picture. Obama represents a social change that ( edit: ) many people probably weren't ready for.


*Religion
- Evangelicals (and there's a lot of them) have a hard on for The Rapture.
- Mormons have been storing food for "The end of days" for decades.
- Not gonna get into this too far, so ill just say, etc etc etc.


*Social
- Rugged independence and individually is engrained our (American) culture to a high degree and most people don't even realize it. You can see it in just about any truck commercial on television. Think about how those two traits in our people as a whole, in combination with a doomsday scenario (regardless of cause).

- In an age of globalization, troubled economy, and political uncertainty, many people yearn for a simpler time more so then usual. (again, see above linked truck commercial ). Granted I think despite all the happenings in the last 12 years, most Americans yearn for a simpler time regardless. (insert little house on the prairie reference here)

- We love an underdog, and we love the underdog more when it's us. A scenario where we become the underdog has some odd romantic appeal.

*Media and myths
- Movies like "The Road", "Book of Eli", and "I am legend", and i believe "2012"
- Two many zombie movies and games. (I gotta admit i love em though)
- Mayan calender ending 2012




I'm sure theres more contributing factors, but I just ran outta gas, so ill end this post now. :woot:

I thought they had some of that green energy stuff, they have been spending trillions on, or hopefully it will have a full tank, detail, details, I should really get back to work on that hho generator, someone should checkout that howard johnsons motor.

@ Ducimus.

Very good analysis. I think you got it all.

Funny, last week I was having one of those days. Everything was going wrong. You know , one of those days. Ashamed to say I was in a foul mood. A couple of people started to talk on this subject and I just blurted out "bring it on". We laughed but I wonder if that isn't part of it as well. Frustration and anger at a world we can't control.

But of course I pray it never happens. To many people I love and care about.

Once again, great post Ducimus.:up:

I agree with you there I wasn't meaning to say that they all desire an event but as you say some do or think that they do or I mean to say I did not read you that way.

It is funny because I think at many points throughout history people have perceived the end times any time period with lots of change occurring would cause the feeling for example the times that the Plague went through Europe many perceived that to have been punishment from god and a sign of the end.

In our modern world you also have mainstream entertainment as you mentioned so it is hard to judge how many really believe and how many are just very intrigued and for them is a fun hobby even though they know that zombies are not real it is an intriguing idea and there are some very good zombie flicks The Return Of The Living Dead(that punk rock girl running around naked had not a thing to do with it) was always my favorite and that 2012 flick got way too much attention people talked about it for months after.

It makes sense during hard times that such topics are popular just as the early Cold War and nuclear weapons spawned all those Sci fi monster films.

It's good to see this getting some thought provoking insight, I think there's also a lot of romantasising it, taking your average office worker for example who does his 9-5 day in, day out, his boss treats him like a doormat and he's a social outcast. He probably longs for society to have the rug pulled out from underneath it so that he can come out from his shell and show those who are struggling to survive just how it's done.

For others, it's perhaps 'Artilleryman syndrome' where people want to remake society into something else, be it a religious utopia, a scientific utopia, or some form of social darwinism. Each particular 'Pact' has their own desires, after all, in how many disaster films does the Nerdy kid save the day and get the girl? (Trust me, I've seen a few and, yes it happens a lot...usually the sort of disaster films that go straight to DVD) Usually the disaster as it happens revolves around that particular persons ability to solve it.

Zombies are good because they cover a lot of social issues, breakdown of society, mob rule, and various far-fetched links to the 'zombified masses'.
Fast zombies are still stupid though...

I had trouble getting to sleep night before last, doing night shifts will do that to you, so I read Alex Scarrows 'Last Light' which deals with an artificially created 'Peak Oil' scenario. It's quite a good read for those in the UK (for that's where it's based) and it's not a 'comfy catastrophe' but it's not as hard-hitting as 'One Second After' by William Forstchen, which I do recommend those who like the genre read because it is well written and doesn't pull its punches.

End of world scenarios are as old as time itself, but there are some days when I look ahead and I wonder if the pace of life we have set for ourselves is maintainable?

Well, good to see you've thought these things through... :hmmm:

Probably not but that seems to be the way of things in the billion + years that earth has been around she has seen many species dominate and then die off.

If you mean pace as pace of life/work in general I say it is too fast and there is too much stress in most peoples lives and I firmly believe that too much stress is not the best thing for your mind or body.Sometimes "giving the other fellow hell" as that Paul McCartney song says really wears you down.

well I can always punch a hole in the deck and drop a pole down it and hang grannies bloomers up as a sail

well the issue of water came up that's my weak point don't have a filter as of yet and not ready to drop money on it, but you can sterilize water in plastic bottles that have 222 stamped on the bottom these would be the ocean spray 64oz cranberry juice bottles, fill with water and set in the sun for 8 hrs, bleach or tablets would be helpful.

Bleach is poisonous to humans so if you used bleach you would make the water worse.Also setting in the sun wont solve anything that will only benefit any bacteria even if you used iodine tablets they might not kill everything but enough if the water is consumed soon after better to boil it.

Try this instead all you need is iodine not bleach he wrong about that.Bleach also has lead and other harmful elements in it might be why you heard the 8 hours in sunlight.But ant PET bottle will work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAZNx...eature=related

This is the guy that inspired the vid above he is smarter notice that he does not mention bleach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8VQk4isaOM