There is no level below Biden.

That was Tina Fey who said that on a SNL parody skit, not Palin. If you're dislike of Palin is not just partisanship then you shouldn't have to use fiction to make your point. Too bad the Democrats largely got away with doing the same thing during the election.

No the GoP shot themselves in the foot but it was by choosing a person for Veep that was not prepared for the rough and tumble world of national politics. That's quite enough in my book.

Hmm, let's see Biden's Wikipedia entry:


Now let's see Palin's:



I don't know about anyone else, but if I were presented with both the above as resumes for employment in an objective evaluation, I would be hard pressed to justify choosing the latter over the former. But, then, that's just me: I believe in credible experience, competence, proven results, proven ability to complete tasks, and many of the other qualities the avreage, competent employer would want; but, then again, that's probably just me...

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Oh, and regarding the SNL comment, you obviously seem to have no sense of humor... no wait, you do think Palin is Presidential material; I'm sorry, you do have a sense of humor, after all...

Finally, it is interesting you chose to defend your point not by actually defending tangible merits of Palin, but, rather, attacking the humorous use of "fiction"; it's probably easier to attack a fiction than to defend one... :DL

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I can't read your post Vienna. For some reason your text keeps coming out white. On the white background it's invisible.

There appears to be some sort of difficulty with the editor on this computer (I don't always use the same computer every time I'm online). I have tried to use the "Remove Text Formatting" feature, but it doesn't seem to work. The Text shows up fine when I view it, but my background color is gray...

Try highlighting the text area by running your mouse over the text; unless you have some better solution, that is the best I can do for now; sorry...

It seems to be working now.

Anyways to address your point, I am not defending Palin. I just don't believe that Biden is any better.

I never said that she was presidential material. That's a typical political partisan tactic. First you try to spread falsehoods about a person and when someone calls you on it you accuse them of not having a sense of humor. I had thought better of you.

As I have ststed in many other posts, I am not partisan: there is plenty enough incompetence and ineptitude to spread around on all levels and wings of American politics. There is a marked difference between humor and falsehoods: one is a teasing tweak to stave off real partisanship and complacency, the other is a deliberate, outright lie to obfucate the reality of a situation. IOW, lighten up...

As far as someone being Presidential material, anyone who is selected as a Vice-Presidential candidate should have a least the minimum one would expect of a presidential candidate; they are, after all, " a heartbeat away". Having gone through the Watergate period and followed it closely, I really would not like to see another situation where both the President and the Vice-President are forced out of office (Nixon, Agnew) and replaced by two individuals who take those offices, not by election, but by appointment (Ford, Rockerfeller)...

(Although, I must admit I did like Rockerfeller and feel it was a shame he was denied the chance to run for the Presidency as the GOP candidate; he was ostracized by the party for the very things they later embraced in Reagan. Go figure...)

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I'm not the one making personal accusations here Vienna. Many people believe that Palin did actually say that. You are just perpetuating it and since apparently you know better then it can be seen as a deliberate perpetuation not a joke like you are now trying to claim.

For the record I think Palin was a very poor choice for Veep for a lot of reasons but at least she had some executive experience. Biden has none and neither did Obama and I think that shows in the poor job the latter has done since he got into the oval office. Biden however, being also a moron, would be far worse. Hopefully Obama will choose a different running mate for his next term.

On the other hand would McCain have done any better? I think probably not. The only leadership experience he has is from the military and even that is pretty thin. His biggest liability however would have been his temper. Not the type of person to have their finger on The Button imo.

Actually, I think far more people know Palin actually didn't make the remark and do know it is a joke. If I am perpetuating anything, I am perpetuating a joke; kind of like any one who takes Palin seriously... :DL

Biden: elected 6 times to the Senate (15th longest serving at time of resignation); member and Chaiman of the Foreign Relations Committee; Chairman of the Judiciary Committee --- yeah, a real moron to have achieved all that...

McCain: naval aviator (lots of non-leaders there); requested a combat assignment (could have had a cushy desk job); former POW who refused to be released early if his fellow POWs weren't also released (by doing so, also refused to profit from his status as the son of a 4 -star admiral; 2 terms in the House, elected 4 times to the Senate; Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee; Chairman of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee; Chairman of International Republican Institute...

Yeah, too bad he had no leadership experience and abilities...

Tempermental? Yeah, he is that; but no President can ever just "push the button". Referring back to Nixon and Watergate, as Nixon deteriorated, he at one point gave indications he might seek to "push the button"; Secretary of State Kissinger used his authority to order that any military orders issued by the President had to be run thriough his office for co-approval. The levels of checks and re-checks make it very highly unlikely any one is going to wake up in the morning and unilaterally start WW3...

Maybe we need tempermental; I recall the great effect JFK unleasing the cold wrath of his Attorney-General brother Bobby on the representatives of the USSR during the Cuban Missle Crisis. There are times when "Quiet Diplomacy" is not the best solution...

I like you vienna and I admire your moxy, but you do know you're posting in a troll thread, don't you? Don't expect much in the way of discourse. At least not honest discourse.

Are you speaking as a moderator mister moderator?

QED

EDIT: And yes, I am speaking as a moderator. This is a troll thread--posted to inflame the temperment. If you are somehow uncomfortable with the label, I would suggest that you look to your own behavior. If you would like to attack me personally, I would be happy to respond with appropriate official action.

The Management

Vienna, ignoring the moderator troll i addressed above this post for a minute.

Legislative experience is not the same thing as executive experience. It is a completely different type of job.

Of the four candidates in the 2008 election only two of them had any executive experience at all. That was McCain and Palin. And neither of them had really much of that unless you put much stock the leadership skills required to be governor of Alaska or Aircraft Commander as preparation for POTUS.

Thanks Takeda, I was fairly certain that was the case. I was just enjoying a bit of a battle of wits against a poorly armed opponent. I was just sort of curious to see how far he would go...

BTW, I very much enjoy your posts, too; also liking the "Takeda Shingen" forum name; aren't you worried about a "Tokugawa Ieyasu" joing the forum?... :DL

Nice way to avoid the point. Good to know where you stand though.