Well, yeah, historically speaking the first Gato's were dispatched to Pearl.....

The problem (in 2.5 due to whatever reasons...."Terrible T" etc..) is that the Tambor class has upgrade precedence over all other types it seems. I was "upgraded" from a Gar to a Tambor.... that does not make sense at all when you consider that the Gar class was the later model.

If you look at the upgradeclass in the upc files for all the various boats you'll notice initially that the S boat's are 0 and all other early war fleet boats (Sargo, Salmon, Gar, Tambor) are upgradeclass 1 respectively. Gato is 2, Balao is 3, etc..

The implication is, other than from an S boat starting career, you shouldn't get an upgrade to anything other than a Gato at minimum dependent upon availability. Upgrades ought to progress from 0 to 1, to 2 then 3 depending upon class availability. It should be impossible to get upgraded from a 1 to a 1.

The Tambor being set to 5 probably throws the proverbial monkey wrench into the works....

If you open up the NSS_(class).cfg file and change "HumanPlayable" to no, I assume the game will not offer you an upgrade to that class, right?

GAR to a TAMBOR. The designer of SH4 said if you had a bad patrol you could get downgraded. Well, maybe he hinted that.

All SH4 cares about is Objectives. Complete them and SH4 is happy. It doesn't care about sinking Capital ships, only Objectives.

Can you pick up the phone and transfer to Pearl? There were so few TAMBOR and GAR class, maybe you triggered something to give you a new command and the dice came up TAMBOR.

By Objectives I'm not saying refit & refuel and go out again. Just complete yours and if you have enough torpedoes and fuel, radio in and get another Objective. Doing that you should progress up the classes etc.

Happy Hunting!

Art

Is that the TAMBOR or TENCH class that is 5?

I should download 2.5 and look. The game behaves the way I described.

Message above, after completing that one or two Objective patrol RTB. You knew that.... lol

I'm sorry.

Lastly, I would love to patrol in USS TUNA (SS-203) in the middle of the War, proud warrior that she is! :)

Happy Hunting!

Art

No bad patrols........I know about the objectives........tonnage & types does impact renown though.


I said Tambor... :DL

Technically speaking, yes :)

Downloading . . . . . luckily I have his other versions he refers to.

There is a campaign I usually like to put on top which includes all Special Missions conducted, (doesn't call the stock or other modded missions) different Objectives, forward bases, and different/more start dates, so installing without that will be different.

Looks like he was thinking a typo in the upc's.

Also going to look at the manual "nobody reads"... lol

It's an excellent manual; i've read it a few times :salute:. End to end this is one helluva polished mod......

:arrgh!:

Almost have it, according to what Ducimus said, I need some Captain Morgan to catch up ( just kidding ) .. actually need about 2 hrs and should be right back with it.

2.5 Fix Attempt
 

Lets see if this works:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...=3506&act=down

If it doesn't we can delete it.

TMO_25_fix_attempt, "1_TMO_25_small_patch.rar" (25.9 KB)

Test fix, I followed Ducimus recollection, modified two 2.5 Submarines with 2.2 patch data, and dragged Flotillas from 2.2.
As he mentioned Career Start, I got that from 2.0 because it wasn't in 2.2.

Hopefully it works. Install it on top of TMO 2.5.

Ducimus has not endorsed me, I'm just trying to help a burnt out old nice guy modder, Mr Ducimus.

Happy Hunting!

Art

Ducimus wrote:

Hey Art, That's exactly what I did. with one exception, I changed the upgradeclass for "Gar" boats from 2 to 1 as well.

I did 3 patrols in an S class originating in Manila, was bumped up to a Sargo, on my 6th patrol I was upgraded to a Gato....seems the fix works....

Glad to hear it works. He has quite a sophisticated mod... really a big change from when I saw it last.

Like he said, for the terrible T every sub has to be disabled except ...

Happy Hunting!

Art

Sorry guys, ive been deliberatly avoiding anything mod related in the past week or so. I appreciate everyones efforts in this thread. Ill get caught up to speed after i've had a few more days away from this subject. That and i've been doing stuff in real life that kinda supercedes the virtual one.


edit:
As an aside, i don't expect anyone to ask my approval to publish any mods that are related to TMO 2.5. See the credits/permissions section in the PDF file for details. You really don't need to ask me.

It's all good............You're the one who knew the fix. We just followed instructions...........

Now, if someone would do TOWER upgrades for the donation Narwhal........

That would be awesome!!!!

hahaha

Quick ?

The "Master Electrician" ability....does that even exist? I've never seen a guy with that one.....

A "better" patch?
 

With no disrespect to aanker, the patch is a bit "quick and dirty", and I think I can make the Terrible T playable, if anyone is interested.
This involves turning off all the other sub classes and setting the second Pearl Harbor deployment to Midway, as I think the game can't handle 2 sets of availability dates on a port.


Does anyone want me to make this available?

That's what Ducimus said, basically what you want to do. Also I think he said, "have at her"... lol :)

Thanks, and Happy Hunting!

Art

One thing i was wondering is if the game would behave the same, or as intended, if the Tambor was TOTALLY removed from all flotillas. The reason i didn't do that, and just "post date" the tambor availablity out of play is because it would involve rewriting the entire flotilla file to be in sequence with the tambor missions removed, and i just didn't have the energy to do it. So i had an "AH HAH!" moment, and just dated the tambor out of play.

It could very well be the cause of the problem is that if the game sees missions available for a submarine type, it goes, "oh ok here you go!", even if thats not what you wanted.

So a good question again, is, if you were upgraded to the tambor, did your flotilla change? Or did you stay in your current flotilla?

I just read this thread. There is only one solution. Ducimus, you are fired. I mean demoted. New Title/Rank: Secretary of the Navy. :D

Note: Secretary of the Navy was James Forestall's position during WW2, as that was his title when he signed an order awarding my father a medal for combat on Saipan.

Sweet! :woot: :yeah:

LMAO!!! Good to see you're still around! :DL