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vienna 01-26-12 04:22 PM

Asians drink alcohol like fish, smoke like chimneys yet have some of the lowest cancer rates in the world; maybe you're right: they might be on to something... :hmmm:

TarJak 01-26-12 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1827903)

Looks more like wheatgrass juice rather than green tea.

Green tea looks more like this:
http://www.ambatch.com/uploaded_images/tea-728653.jpg http://www.prlog.org/10207321-chinese-green-teas.jpg

AVGWarhawk 01-26-12 04:54 PM

Yes, the green tea I'm drinking looks like the small cup above. Kind of like the start of algae growing. :hmmm:

mookiemookie 01-26-12 05:03 PM

I drink 2 or 3 cups a day. And they're right...the sawdust looking crap is garbage. Get a good tea egg or spoon and fill it with the good stuff.

Ducimus 01-26-12 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1827908)
I quit coffee after realizing your banner was accurate :D

Used to be a complete coffee addict for about 6 years, and then after I accidentally stopped drinking it for a few weeks I realized that I felt a hell of a lot better, calmer and more productive. Haven't gone back to it since, in fact haven't even had a cup of the stuff in 10 months now. The only downside is that I now sleep for like 10-12 hours a day, but then sleep is still better than doing stupid things while being all twitchy and agitated :O:

Ill have you know that Coffee (aside from Captain Morgan spiced rum), is one of the biggest reasons that supermod for SH4, that i *think* you might be playing on occasion, exists!

Ducimus 01-26-12 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 1827934)
Looks more like wheatgrass juice rather than green tea.

Green tea looks more like this:
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Well, i was making a joke about green tea. Because to me, it tastes like lawn clippings in a cup of water. Hence my pics depicting lawn grass in a cup. That's about what i think it tastes like. BLECH!

CCIP 01-26-12 05:15 PM

Ain't knocking coffee (nor Captain Morgan, mmm), it got me through two college diplomas :D And "on occasion" is a bit of an understatement for the last few weeks of my SH4 playing.

Still not going back to it though, it's just tea for me now.

There's also different kinds of green tea. I'm not a fan of some of the sharper, 'browner' Chinese/Vietnamese varieties. But I do like the 'greener' and milder stuff, like various Japanese Sencha types.

Madox58 01-26-12 05:18 PM

Harvesting Green Tea in Asia.

http://s11.lucyphotos.com/images/ori...7okv11ko1s.jpg

Skybird 01-26-12 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1827883)
It is green! I have some with berry flavor. It's not bad tasting. I would say the berry flavor does make it better. Question is, are the grass clippings a good antioxidant? :hmmm:

Note that antioxidants have chnaged their percpetion by the scientific community, too. They are no longer seen as the miracle catchers of free radicals, in fact it seems that they even can do damage.

What they now focus on to say is that you need a good balance between both antioxidants and free radicals, else, with not enough free radicals, the imune system looses in striking power.

Do not buy tead bags. That is guarantee for bad green tee. Do not - never any tea! - brew it with hot boiling water that still produces bubbles - let it cool down a bit, 1-2 minutes. That boiling water tip is BS advice from teabag producers not knowing their stuff. Use loose tea, and ask for as good one - the differences in different green teas are very very huge. Brew it very short only. 2 Minutes, not more. It shall not taste strong, and it shall not get bitter, which it easily does.

Have to say that I like Japanese Green Tea very much. There are a couple of Chinese teas as well that by taste are somewhat familiar, White Tea/Pai Mu Tan for example.

Never use these with sugar or added artifical aromes. Its just water and tea - no sugar, no milk, no nothing. If you like it sweet, get African Roibosch "tea" (its no real tea plant, so no coffeine), with sugar and milk. I kill for it, occasionally! :D

Coffee, okay everybody knows it, but I prefer a strong espresso any time, even when it is a lie: it taste so much better and much stronger but has at least 1/3 less of coffeine, due to the different brewing method. It's also milder and more friendly in effect.

CCIP 01-26-12 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1828014)
Do not - never any tea! - brew it with hot boiling water that still produces bubbles - let it cool down a bit, 1-2 minutes. That boiling water tip is BS advice from teabag producers not knowing their stuff. Use loose tea, and ask for as good one - the differences in different green teas are very very huge. Brew it very short only. 2 Minutes, not more. It shall not taste strong, and it shall not get bitter, which it easily does.

Very good advice also! This is another reason that green tea has a bad name - it's simply brewed the wrong way by a lot of people. You can't do it with water that's still boiling, and you can't brew en masse and hold it for a long time. Knowing those two things alone makes for better green tea. Naturally, at a lot of restaurants, they don't do that due to the demands of mass service, and you end up with mediocre tea. Or if it comes in bags - bad tea that's often full of filler (think wood chips or seed skins from rice).

My own conversion to tea happened 3-4 years ago when I was educated on how to buy, brew and serve it right. Green tea, red/brown tea, white tea, flower/fruit teas - they are all awesome in their own ways, but require the right approach. That doesn't mean you need to learn the tea ceremony to appreciate them, but brewing them right will make a lot of difference.

Skybird 01-26-12 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1828017)
That doesn't mean you need to learn the tea ceremony to appreciate them, but brewing them right will make a lot of difference.

I had the privilege to have repeatedly gotten served green tea in the ceremonial way by my trainer and mentor, who was Japanese. For that, the powder form of the tea is used, completly pulverised, and then a bamboo brush used to shake it in the water.

It tastes completely different. And if I am honest: not necessarily better.

Also one thing you should know: the real premium quality of the yearly tea harvest never leaves the country, but is exclusively for the national market. If you have the chance to order it via a friend you have in Japan, or stay there yourself, go for these teas, if you can. What they bring to the European and American market, is ALWAYS just second choice, no matter what they tell you in the tea shop.

Maybe you cannot get access to these. But at least you can stay away from teabags and tea with added aromes.

CCIP 01-26-12 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1828021)
Also one thing you should know: the real premium quality of the yearly tea harvest never leaves the country, but is exclusively for the national market. If you have the chance to order it via a friend you have in Japan, or stay there yourself, go for these teas, if you can.

My brother has recently moved to Japan, possibly permanently. I'll be sure to ask him to send me some once he settles in a little bit :)

That applies to a LOT of things about Japan by the way. Many Japanese foods, from sushi to ramen, really do need to be experienced in Japan to be properly appreciated. Both because of what they save for the market, and because of the differences between the 'dumbed down' exported flavours/preparation methods and original domestic cuisine.

You can still get a lot of good tea of all sorts anywhere, though, just maybe not quite as top-notch.

Sailor Steve 01-26-12 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1827889)
Note that if it is made with a bag, it ain't good tea (regardless of how it is dried).

So I guess instant is right out then? :O:

tater 01-26-12 08:53 PM

Heheh.

It's like coffee. I buy small amounts of beans at a time, usually the day, or at most the day after they are roasted. I consume them within 2-3 days. They are ground instantly before brewing (I have a full-auto espresso machine), and I do not even load the bean hopper, I keep it in sealed baggies, and dump just enough for the coffee I will be making (2-4 cups worth).

Bagged tea is like preground coffee. If you get high-end bags, it's "acceptable," but just barely. Like coffee, it's probably fine if you put crap IN your tea or coffee (milk, sugar, etc). In that case, it's sort of a waste to bother with better tea as you are ruining it, anyway (if you load coffee with cream and sugar, you might as well make folgers, IMO).

I like some "adulterated" teas, however. I like genmai cha (has some toasted rice in it). I like masala chai as well sometimes---but it's not made with "champagne" tea, it's cheap black tea boiled with milk, sugar, and spices al together. Gotta love places like starbucks calling masala chai "chai tea." Chai means "tea." Maybe they should sell café coffee?

Stealhead 01-26-12 08:58 PM

I have to agree with Ducimus on green tea being big with the hipsters.
I do sometimes drink it though not from Starbucks I have never set foot inside a Starbucks in my life and do not plan to.I got introduced to green tea by this Japanese engineer that was an adviser for Mitsubishi ship building that was helping set up some machinery at my uncles machine shop so they could make parts for Mitsubishi.I thought it was pretty good and I also have to use much less sugar for green tea than I do for other types of tea so I would say that is a good thing.That engineer also got me hooked on Japanese candy.

tater 01-26-12 09:29 PM

Sugar?

Dunno about hipsters, I don't think I rate as very hip (nor have I ever).

AVGWarhawk 01-27-12 09:24 AM

I'm just drinking the collared greens in hopes of getting well faster. Day 3, making headway into the realm of wellness. Green tea a contributor? Jury is out. But, it helps sooth the sore throat. So, I can say hot water, flavored or not, helps. :hmmm: Now, what of these free radicals? They are ruining the country. No...wait... :O:

Nippelspanner 01-27-12 09:58 AM

Just one advise when it comes to tea... dont buy the 99c stuff, its practically poison or just flavour. Spend some more, buy the good stuff and enjoy good tea.

It won`t make you fly, but it is surely one of the most healthy things to drink...

Skybird 01-27-12 10:25 AM

One last advice that really can make a very huge difference for tea, depending on the water quality you have: use a water-filter. In Germany, water quality varies regarding the ammount of lime (you call it that in English? Kalk?). But you do not want "hard" water with lots of lime in it, you want "soft" water without lime. It influences tea severely, especially tea that is not really strong in taste but depends on more subtle aromes.

Also, I was told that compared to over here the water in other countries like America gets added plenty of chlorine, more than we use here. Obviously this has a strong effect on water taste. In the 80s my father'S orchestra had a tour in the US, and he said that on various stays he and colleagues refused to drink water from the pipes as served for free in restaurants - a habit not present in Germany, over here you always and exclusively get bottled, sparkling water - for it smelled and tasted like water in a swimming bassin, very intense in chlorine, and for their European-German tongues it was simply inedible. Different places, different habits.

Anyway, use a water filter, it helps against both lime and chlorine. It also prevents your water cooker from getting covered with lime. The absence of the taste from chlorine, and the "softer" water make a very huge difference. I have relatively "hard" water in my household, so I compared it directly. I don'T brew tea without filtered water anymore.

Coffee is too robust and too intense in heavy tastes as if it is so obvious there.

Spike88 01-27-12 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1828014)

Do not buy tead bags. That is guarantee for bad green tee. Do not - never any tea! - brew it with hot boiling water that still produces bubbles - let it cool down a bit, 1-2 minutes. That boiling water tip is BS advice from teabag producers not knowing their stuff. Use loose tea, and ask for as good one - the differences in different green teas are very very huge. Brew it very short only. 2 Minutes, not more. It shall not taste strong, and it shall not get bitter, which it easily does.

I believe the suggestion to boil the tea comes from wanting to kill any bacteria on the tea.

I know sun tea can be poisonous if left for too long as the water never gets hot enough to kill the bacteria in the water and on the tea.

For those who are not familiar with sun tea, it's the process of putting tea leaves/bags in a glass container with the water, and leaving it outside during the hot parts of the day to "brew" the tea. It brews the tea without using any energy(well energy that you get billed for, as sun light is free(for now)). The only draw back is that the tea needs to be refrigerated after two hours, and thrown away at the end of the day.



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Have to say that I like Japanese Green Tea very much. There are a couple of Chinese teas as well that by taste are somewhat familiar, White Tea/Pai Mu Tan for example.

I also enjoy Japanese green tea, and I've been drinking it before it was "cool" (That's a jab at hipsters who do things "Before they were cool")

While it may not be the most traditional way I do enjoy getting my cup of Hot Green Tea with my meal at my local Hibachi Steak House(Aptly named Samurai). I prefer drinking it without sugar.

As for the whole coffee or tea thing, I'll always prefer tea of any kind(with or without sugar).


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