okay, I'll do it.:doh:

Damn bears fan!:dead:

(proceeds to throw bottle at Misha, but hits Steedhttp://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...8PE-LYSLYY-aEY instead, then quietly slips out of thread.)

Back in ya kennel...bonny lad :DL

Comparing them with US experiences since sept 11th would be relevant, so would travel between here and the UK during the sillyness, so would flying on ElAl for decades, or for that matter flying on any of the other middle eastern airlines.

However, the issue I find here is that she stated she had no previous issues while flying to her destination with the same purse. If it wasn't an issue going there why should it be coming back?

Thats just like saying to a traffic cop " but you didn't pull me last time I was a ton up on this road"

Different staff, different levels of observation skills, different number of people in the immediate vicinity, different distractions...any number of things I suppose.

So I will ask, how far is acceptable?

Pop a finger into your wife because she might be hiding something "in there"

Don't worry it is in the name of national security. All the searchers are making a sound 9$ an hour , it is ok. Well trained in modern America means underpaid.

Why do other countries (excepting Israel) do so well without dystopian rules to air travel?

Orwell would crap his pants at what we tolerate today, But then again in the end, even Winston Smith screamed genuine anger at the telescreen.

I guess we are all just brainwashed. Sorry...Not we.
You
I see what this is.
Except this time, we are all the "Juden"

So give your papers to the ex con working behind the TSA desk and let him feel your families assorted privated parts. If you tape them moaning in pleasure then you are guilty of a crime.

Because of your childish penchant for deleting the person you're quoting, I had to go make sure it was me. :nope:

And you're wrong. Overreaction is overreaction, no matter who does it.

No, because unlike your example she didn't actually do anything wrong. As I said, it should have taken one minute to make sure that it was only a piece of fashion, and she would have been on her way. These people overreacted, pure and simple.

[QUOTE=Sailor Steve;1799110]
The Ninth Amendment bars denial of unenumerated rights if the denial is based on the enumeration of certain rights in the Constitution, but does not bar denial of unenumerated rights if the denial is based on the enumeration of certain powers in the Constitution.[15] It is to that enumeration of powers that the courts have said we must look, in order to determine the extent of the unenumerated rights mentioned in the Ninth Amendment.[15]

United Public Workers v. Mitchell, 330 U.S. 75 (1947).

Laurence H. Tribe, American Constitutional Law 776 n. 14 (2nd ed. 1998).

"It is a common error, but an error nonetheless, to talk of 'ninth amendment rights.' The ninth amendment is not a source of rights as such; it is simply a rule about how to read the Constitution.

Gibson v. Matthews, 926 F.2d 532, 537 (6th Cir. 1991

"[T]he ninth amendment does not confer substantive rights in addition to those conferred by other portions of our governing law. The ninth amendment was added to the Bill of Rights to ensure that the maxim expressio unius est exclusio alterius would not be used at a later time to deny fundamental rights merely because they were not specifically enumerated in the Constitution."

So in my humble opinion, it is not a right.

We basically agree on this. Had the airlines been a private entity there would be no discussion here.


Actually, Bejing airport looks exactly like O'hare, just dimmer lighting. They have their own version of TSA but they go through if not exactly the same protocols than pretty much look cross trained with our TSA. And the reason why I mentioned it, was the three times I was searched after the initial screening. Must have been the Blackhawks jersey I had on :hmmm:

Never liked that argument and it has no relevance to this particular incident. Rape is a crime of violence.

None of the rights enumerated in the Constitution are absolute either. Too many examples of case law that prove that. I'll PM them to you if you would like.

And Buna, you know I am terrible with semantics :doh:

In my experiences, airport security seems standardized now.

YO DAWG! We heard TSA didn't like your purse so we put it inside another purse, so you can still carry your purse while you carry a purse.

Oh Pasha, shouldn't you be counting trees?

:har::har::har:

Can I ask... What the hell is wrong with you?

You should be better than that.
So straight back at ya..........
plonker, no deletion, its all in your mind
See that little thing between "insert image" and "wrap[CODE] tags"?
Are you having a bad day?

That does not address what was written. or what it was written about
But also that comes back and bites you at the bottom

How do you know?

Possibly, but then further down the line you get more problems so that isn't a solution.

How do you know that it wasn't the underage pregnant girl who overreacted and bought this all on herself?
It happens frequently in airports everywhere, people get uppity for no real reason and make a big scene which causes them delay then they make a scene about being delayed then go on about how unfair it is which delays them even more.

And that is a prime example of the court specifically ignoring the man who wrote the Bill Of Rights. James Madison "The Father of the Constitution", didn't want a Bill Of Rights at all, for the express reason that he believed that if he listed them some would inevitably be left out, and some lawyer down the road would say "They didn't mention that one, so it must not count." He believed that the Congressional and Executive powers listed could and would not be usurped, hence the Federal Government could never incroach on any of our rights, and that ALL rights belonged to the people, and none to the Government. He eventually let himself be persuaded by Jefferson, and by the fact that pretty much everybody else refused to sign if he didn't guarantee that he would include one.

James Madison, Federalist #84

When he did give in, he did everything he could to prevent the government from intruding on unnamed rights.

James Madison, Draft submitted to Congress

James Madison, speech introducing the Bill Of Rights

My point is that it's true that the Government does indeed have the authority (granted by us - Government per se has no "rights" at all) to create an entity to protect its citizens. In this the NTA is no different than the police department - it's there for a reason. I also agree that the NTA and other Federal Agencies have the authority to prohibit the carrying of weapons, even fake or replica weapons, on an airliner. Where I disagree is that an purse with an embossed picture of a gun qualifies, especially when even a cursory look would show that it's obvious that her finger couldn't even fit inside the trigger guard.

It was the first one that came to my head. But the point here isn't the crime, it's the implication that "She should have known better." My point is that she shouldn't have to know better.

You don't need to show me anything. As I often say, I read the Bill Of Rights as meaning one thing: I have the right to do anything I want, as long as I don't infringe anyone else's right to do exactly the same. Everything else springs from that concept.

In your country(which of course make it eminently relevant:03:) I was searched outside the terminal, then again inside before the check in, then at check in, then again through to departures then once more before actual boarding....and that was before the ATSA was enacted and there was piles of people getting far more thorough goings over than that.

@ S S.

Understand where you are coming from, and agree with some of the things you present. But the fact is, the judiciary interprets what is written down, whether or not it was intended or not by the framers.

As to personal responsibility for one's own behavior, I believe if people policed themselves and used a little common sense, we would not need a nanny state.

It's the accent, I blame the Simpsons for that. Next time wear a kilt without drawers :haha:

The accent was in my favour, like I said lots of other passengers(or potential passengers) were getting it very severe from all sorts of security.