Why does he "GOT" to be thinking this? All your doing is pigeonholing the man. Who are you to say he isn't serious about his candidacy? Jack up his speaking fees? The man doesn't need to work another day in his life! As I said - somehow or another you have to belittle him or attack him. You just proved my point.

Because it's exactly how Obama got elected and I'm sure exactly what he was thinking at the time.

And yes, I'm going to criticize Herman Cain. I don't think he's as great as you obviously do. Deal with it.

Nor would I want you to. But...

Nobody gets banned for ticking off anybody, including the Moderators and the Site Owner. And especially not for ticking off me, because in spite of post count and reputation, I'm really pretty much nobody as far at authority goes.

There are hard-core right-wingers here, and hard-core left-wingers. There are members of both sides who are not quite so rough around the edges. And there are some of us who truly are in the middle, taking one side or the other depending solely on the issue under discussion, and not supporting either actual "side". The biggest thing I take exception to is actually flaming. As do the Moderators and Neal. Discussions can and do get heated, and all of us have crossed the line more than once, and most of us are gracious enough to apologize when we do (or at least when we're called on it).

When I said I thought some of your comments deserved a reply, I was referring to the more-than-occasional flaming by yourself - not of other members here, but of people you disagree with in general ("Obammy", "Caucas-African", "Camilla the Ugly"). That kind of childish namd-calling serves no purpose, is not conducive to good debate, and we try to keep these forums above that level. Standing up for what you believe in is fine, even important, but if what you believe in is ridiculing people then you might want to take a look at yourself first.

So if someone does flame you for real, as does sometimes happen, we try to take care of it, no matter what "side" it comes from.

I did appreciate your admission of "self-hating", mainly because I have less respect for myself than I have for pretty much anyone else. I feel this keeps me from being condescending or dismissive, as I can't be an "ist" of any kind if I can't find someone more deserving of my scorn. So it that statement was true, you're in good company (or bad, depending on how you want to take it).

I will be honest.

I was with Cain, until he started smashing the working man.

Obama is a no go..(expletive) disaster. I wished I would have gotten drunk instead of voting for him.

Unless Hilary runs I am voting for Robert Plant, with Lady Gaga as his VP.

Thats pretty liberal eh?:D

The GOP as it is now is a joke. Except it isn't funny to me...Too bad Ron Paul is a whacko, I can actually get behind some of his ideals.

If a halfway mediocre Dem challenged Obama he would win by landslide..

The more Perry and Romney beat on each other..The more points Obama goes up.

The more we fight amongst each other over these millionaires, the less attention we pay to them screwing us.

OP sir. Stop watching MSNBC if you know it's going to enrage you. I am a left swinger and don't watch that crap man.:D They don't report news, they report what they think people want to hear. That is both channels as well. (skewed accordingly)

It all comes down to "are you watching the commercials between breaks" that advertisers pay big bucks for?


Happy sailing.:salute:

Edit: Thank you Mr. Steve. I will be more mindful of how I refer to folks in the future. I try to be funny at times, and it is only funny to me.:-?

I never said you did Mookie. The title of this thread is about a remark made by a MSNBC reporter. You're the one who decided to go on the defensive just because I commented on the fact liberals stock response when one of their own goes over the line is to just comment on how someone else at some other time also went over the line too.

Why can't MSNBC suck independently of Fox's degree of suckage?
Are criticisms of Obama any less valid because Bush can be criticized too?

If you really believe this then my opinion of you has not only dropped but dropped through the floor and is currently boring a hole in the basement foundation because Haplo is spot on in his observation.

Liberals often make racist comments when their target is a republican of color just as they turn on the sexism when it comes to Palin or Bachmann and if one calls them on it their only response is to drag up some example of someone else having done it at some point. Sorry but that just won't cut it in my book.

You're overgeneralizing and making a blanket statement about an entire group of people, saying they make racist remarks. Do you not see the irony here?

Actually yes there is. :D

This surprises you? MSNBC is perhaps the most dishonest organization (I won't even give them the moniker of news) of all time, far worse than Fox News on a bad day. It's like if the Onion took itself seriously and expected everyone else to do the same.

Excuse me, but did I say "all" liberals? I've seen you make similar generalizations about conservatives too so why is it so ironic?

I like to compare both to WWE (wrestling)

Except instead of sports entertainment, it is news entertainment.
You have your heels (boooooo!)
Your faces(Yayyyyyy!)
Your works (news skewed to fit the viewers leaning/ persistent stories)

They should just go all the way and let the Undertaker Tombstone Piledrive Chris Matthews and Megyn Kelly on camera.

(you know you would watch)

Edit: I can go for a fight between Olbermann and Bill O'rielly..
Battle of the blowhards, our generations thrilla in manilla.

I just want to see someone backhand Contessa Brewer

I trust your word Plat. :salute:

I just take personal exception to the idea that my support of a candidate is some kind of racism. Now if you think that i'm lying about this then yeah there is no evidence that refutes her opinion, at least from this quarter. :DL

Basically, the reality is that the left can make fun of, denigrate, bash and try to destroy whomever. They have to - because they can't win in the arena of ideas. So they have to engage in the politics of personal destruction.

They will use race if it benefits them, but woe betide the non-liberal who mentions skin pigmentation, where someone is from, etc. They will use sexism whenever its convenient, but no one else should ever do so. They will use religious persecution but everyone else must be tolerant and accepting.

Look at how the left has gone absolutely ape over trying to find a way to kick the legs out from someone like Cain. They are the one that brings up race. When they were scared of Bachman, they had to bring up her "submission" to her husband. Hillary even endured the PMS jokes when running against Obama.

OWS speakers are interviewed and propound on how all the Jews should be shipped out of the country, and no one says anything. Let a conservative say that a moron like Farrikan should get his own independant nation of islam somewhere way the hell away from the US, and we are intolerant hatemongering racists.

When someone points out the obvious problems with the actions of the liberal media - the only answer (as we have seen here) is to ignore the problem and instead yell how other people/media suck.

And the left can't figure out why their propoganda machines are still losing viewership.....

Or the irony of a "self hating liberal" playing a war game. :har:

Lets all kiss and make up.

What's so ironic about that again?

Even if you're a total pacifist, you're wise to study the mechanics of war before you decide to hate it. Checking beliefs is pretty smart. I see some people think that it's too ironic to even consider, though...

Huh? :06:

Do I hafta buy you dinner?
If you think I'm going to play this game, you got another thing coming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p71Hwt8eHQ

On a side note, I don't know what's crazier:
You paying attention to MSNBC or knowing Yubba watches soaps.:hmmm: If the right would quit repeating what those clowns say, nobody would even know what they say. If I recall, they have horrid ratings.

What's wrong with watchin my stories ???? Man I miss Dark Shadows that use too scare the crap out of me as a kid. The irony of liberals playing war games is, if they have to play as Americans, or on the allied side, or if they only got SH4. And if you guys haven't figured it out it is us against our governments, you have two sides of the same coin and it is up to us as citizens to keep the governments in check. There is liberals and progressives in both parties so if one team faulters they just hand the ball off to the other team and it's up to us to keep them from score-ing, so some of you folk need too figure out out what side of the constitutional fence you're on. Oh and Magan is about to have puppies or something like that I guess that would be on All My Illidgidimate Children. Like Sands through an hour glass so are the days that we sat behind our monitors

I thought liberals watch "bold and beautiful".

No I thought it was All My Comrades, not to be confused with, Comrades or Freinds.