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mookiemookie 09-15-11 07:27 PM

Surely he approaches every issue with an open mind and a null hypothesis. A college student has the life experience, intellectual background, and cachet to have their words mean more than a sparrow fart in a hurricane. Duh!

Hottentot 09-16-11 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1750644)
A college student has the life experience, intellectual background, and cachet to have their words mean more than a sparrow fart in a hurricane. Duh!

No, that's a high school student. A college student can do all that while drinking beer.

Castout 09-16-11 12:18 AM

If you think Obama is bad what do you call George W Bush Jr White House tenure?

If you think Obama is bad, you think the other presidential candidates can at least perform as 'worse' as Obama?

I see this man as having the integrity, character and willingness to do what is right. He's your clean dignified presidential guy.
Why is this hate towards Obama? Because he doesn't come from a very influential political dynasty or because he doesn't have much money or because he's black? I'm convinced had Obama commanded hundreds of million of dollars people would have been more respectful. Sad society we have because world's greatest scums command billions.

I want a Martin Luther King Jr, I want another JFK but they are probably going to shoot them too. The old times really had some great men.
I consider Martin Luther King Jr and JFK huge assets that America lost prematurely. Big loss. Can you imagine how much global influence they would have had had they not been killed? They were killed so that the small people can get away with their smallness.

Catfish 09-16-11 04:45 AM

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AVGWarhawk 09-16-11 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Castout (Post 1750694)
If you think Obama is bad what do you call George W Bush Jr White House tenure?

If you think Obama is bad, you think the other presidential candidates can at least perform as 'worse' as Obama?

I see this man as having the integrity, character and willingness to do what is right. He's your clean dignified presidential guy.
Why is this hate towards Obama? Because he doesn't come from a very influential political dynasty or because he doesn't have much money or because he's black? I'm convinced had Obama commanded hundreds of million of dollars people would have been more respectful. Sad society we have because world's greatest scums command billions.

I want a Martin Luther King Jr, I want another JFK but they are probably going to shoot them too. The old times really had some great men.
I consider Martin Luther King Jr and JFK huge assets that America lost prematurely. Big loss. Can you imagine how much global influence they would have had had they not been killed? They were killed so that the small people can get away with their smallness.

The Obamas did and do command millions of dollars. He well off as a Chicago politician and she head of the largest hospital in the Chicago area I believe. Obama traveled the world and graduated from the finest college. Passed the bar exam. The money has little to do with respect .

Castout 09-16-11 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 1750738)

:hmmm: :DL

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1750749)
The Obamas did and do command millions of dollars. He well off as a Chicago politician and she head of the largest hospital in the Chicago area I believe. Obama traveled the world and graduated from the finest college. Passed the bar exam. The money has little to do with respect .

Millions don't make you that rich. A member of my family has got millions too. You need hundreds of millions to be considered very rich or influential in the global world.

Privilege, capability and integrity don't come often in one package. In my opinion Obama has the most of all three compared to other candidates. It is not often that you see that 'idealism' in a man that goes all the way up. When you do, do put him all the way up because he's one of a kind. In this time and age most people are pragmatic. I see the other candidates arguing for the sake of politicking and politicking only. What can they offer? Your country is in deep trouble and times ahead will be worse if this debt isn't handled well. US could end up like Greece exactly because people never think it would end up like Greece. If US goes bust South East Asia and that's me too will be put at disadvantage, economically and politically. Sayonara human rights and democracy.

AVGWarhawk 09-16-11 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Castout (Post 1750785)
:hmmm: :DL



Millions don't make you that rich. A member of my family has got millions too. You need hundreds of millions to be considered very rich or influential in the global world.

Privilege, capability and integrity don't come often in one package. In my opinion Obama has the most of all three compared to other candidates. It is not often that you see that 'idealism' in a man that goes all the way up. When you do, do put him all the way up because he's one of a kind. In this time and age most people are pragmatic. I see the other candidates arguing for the sake of politicking and politicking only. What can they offer? Your country is in deep trouble and times ahead will be worse if this debt isn't handled well. US could end up like Greece exactly because people never think it would end up like Greece. If US goes bust South East Asia and that's me too will be put at disadvantage, economically and politically. Sayonara human rights and democracy.

Millions don't make you rich? What does it make you? Priviledge, capable and integrity. We are not comparing BO with the other candidates. We are looking at BO alone. BO is not one of a kind. DC swallowed him into the same old Capital Hill system like his predecessors. As far as the other candidates, when BO has a debate with them he too will be politcing as well.

Castout 09-16-11 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1750802)
Millions don't make you rich? What does it make you? Priviledge, capable and integrity. We are not comparing BO with the other candidates. We are looking at BO alone. BO is not one of a kind. DC swallowed him into the same old Capital Hill system like his predecessors. As far as the other candidates, when BO has a debate with them he too will be politcing as well.


Yes couple millions don't make you THAT rich. 50 millions make you to enter the club of the rich. High net worth people. Those super car dealers know that their customers are at least worth 50 million dollars.

Couple millions make you well off.

There's a difference when one argues for something he believes in or for the sake or arguing. I don't know how Obama will debate his rivals, I hope it won't be the latter.

danasan 09-16-11 07:16 AM

As far as I can see - from the other side of the Atlantic - anybody who is supported by the Koch Brothers can consider himself to be rich...:hmmm:

Catfish 09-16-11 07:21 AM

You mean this "Koch" ?

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...0fa_fact_mayer

:dead:
Some people make me sick.

danasan 09-16-11 07:28 AM

Is it me or him making you sick? I do not get the point here.

Catfish 09-16-11 07:49 AM

Oh i thought it was obvious - as obvious as this Kochtopus :

" ... Five hundred people attended the summit, which served, in part, as a training session for Tea Party activists in Texas. An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power.


"Today, the voices of average Americans are being drowned out by lobbyists and special interests", it said. "But you can do something about it."

The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders.

The White House has expressed frustration that such sponsors have largely eluded public notice.
David Axelrod, Obama's senior adviser, said, "What they don't say is that, in part, this is a grassroots citizens' movement brought to you by a bunch of oil billionaires."


Enough already. If you look at that picture in the link, you look at a megalomanic egoist. The only hope is such people will eventually die out. Koch and likewise business, and the people who believe them make me SICK. Gawd how obvious has something to be to be realized by people.

flatsixes 09-16-11 08:27 AM

Knock yourselves out.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/summary.php

AVGWarhawk 09-16-11 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Castout (Post 1750803)
Yes couple millions don't make you THAT rich. 50 millions make you to enter the club of the rich. High net worth people. Those super car dealers know that their customers are at least worth 50 million dollars.

Couple millions make you well off.

There's a difference when one argues for something he believes in or for the sake or arguing. I don't know how Obama will debate his rivals, I hope it won't be the latter.

It makes you rich enough. I believe the Obama's net worth in 2008 was 4.5 million. I think that makes you THAT rich. A super car can be had for $150,000.00. Well within the Obama's reach if so desired. There were plenty who became president that were just well off.

Obama will have to debate. It's how the election process goes. He will have a lot answer for this time. He can not run a campaign on hope and change. That slogan is a wash.

Oberon 09-16-11 08:50 AM

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Castout 09-16-11 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1750848)
It makes you rich enough. I believe the Obama's net worth in 2008 was 4.5 million. I think that makes you THAT rich. A super car can be had for $150,000.00. Well within the Obama's reach if so desired. There were plenty who became president that were just well off.

No 4.5 million doesn't make you THAT rich. My extended family member has more than that.

True you can buy super car for 150 grand(here you need 500 grand for even an F430 Ferrari) but those who buy it on average have net worth of 50 million bucks and no less.

True that there were plenty US presidents that were well off but today is not the same age like those days. Those days people were more decent in general and those days well off meant respected rich as the number of rich people were not as large as today and not as rich as today.

flatsixes 09-16-11 09:10 AM

Hmmm...

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To be sure, Obama’s ground game relied on organized labor, particularly public-sector unions, African-Americans, Latinos and progressive activists. But these groups have not emerged stronger from his three years in office.

Instead, the major winners of the Obama years have been the big nonprofits, venture capitalists and, most obviously, the financial aristocracy. These have all benefited from the Ben Bernanke-Timothy Geithner — previously the Bernanke-Henry Paulson — policy of cheap money and near zero-interest rates, which have depressed the savings of the middle classes but served as a major boon to Wall Street. This has benefited mostly the wealthiest 1 percent, which owns some 40 percent of equities and 60 percent of financial securities.

This Wall Street-first approach makes Reaganite “trickle down” look like a populist torrent.

Penguin 09-16-11 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by flatsixes (Post 1750844)

I am not quite sure how to read this:
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Obama:
Total Raised: $48,662,185
Total Spent: $80,235,455
Cash on Hand: $37,110,346
Debts: $412,878
He spent 30 million more than he raised, but still has 37m on hand and only half a million debt? It confuses me even more that the article states no candidate self-financing for Obama.
Or is money he raised for the previous election not counted in the raised sum.

And vote for Buddy Roemer, folks: not only the coolest name, but also the poorest candidate! :know:

flatsixes 09-16-11 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguin (Post 1750869)
I am not quite sure how to read this:


He spent 30 million more than he raised, but still has 37m on hand and only half a million debt? It confuses me even more that the article states no candidate self-financing for Obama.
Or is money he raised for the previous election not counted in the raised sum.

And vote for Buddy Roemer, folks: not only the coolest name, but also the poorest candidate! :know:

The figures don't always add up because of reporting lags. Some numbers are reported quarterly (like donations), others (like expenditures) come in in bunches. What I found interesting in this report was the list of Obama "bundlers," that is, folks who collect money from like-minded individuals and lump it into one big fat (read: "hard to miss") donation.

Check out what industries these big Obama donors come from:

Top Industries of Obama Bundlers
Industry Min. Raised # of Bundlers

Securities & Investment $7,200,000 44
Lawyers/Law Firms $6,100,000 54
Business Services $3,900,000 22
Real Estate $2,300,000 15
TV/Movies/Music $2,100,000 10

I'm not saying that that maybe somebody hasn't been entirely square with those "hardworking American families" we hear so much about. But that list is chock-full of hedge funds, baby. Millionaires and Billionaires galore. Should make you want to know more about whose telephone messages are getting answered.

AVGWarhawk 09-16-11 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Castout (Post 1750863)
No 4.5 million doesn't make you THAT rich. My extended family member has more than that.

True you can buy super car for 150 grand(here you need 500 grand for even an F430 Ferrari) but those who buy it on average have net worth of 50 million bucks and no less.

True that there were plenty US presidents that were well off but today is not the same age like those days. Those days people were more decent in general and those days well off meant respected rich as the number of rich people were not as large as today and not as rich as today.

4.5 millions makes you rich. Compared to the blue collar worker making 35k or less a year, 4.5 is rich. As far as there and here, super car can be had for 150k. After all, Obama is here. He did his world travels as a kid already and attended the finest college. Much like the other guys.

Back in the day people were decent, yes. But more so respectful and had manners. As far as rich of today compared to back then, is all relative. 25 years ago one could get 2 packs of smokes for $1.00. That $1.00 back then was like spending the $7.00 today for just 1 pack.


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