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conspiracy_theory 07-21-11 10:20 AM

How do i know lol,i just like conspiracies.

It could be said that it is because the poeple that run our western countries,the same people that made Britain go to war over Poland???, and then let Russia have it for free, have had something to gain from it, as the book the holocaust industry says,the U.S.A alone gives Israel the equivilent of $40,000 per Israely every year Beacause of the holocaust, god knows why.

Also, with the capitalists on one side and the communists on the other, they do not want a new power like national socialism getting in their way for world domination. So they make it very unattractive, even illegal.

The russians admitted after the fall of the berlin wall, that they built the smoke stacks at Auschwitz after the war, and if you watch the alternative tour of Auschwitz on google, you can see that they are not even connected to anything.


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Originally Posted by Growler (Post 1709269)
As I am not able to view videos at this time, and am not in a position to purchase a book and await its arrival in order to continue this discussion, I beg your indulgence and say again: To what end would the Western Allies perpetuation of a fictional Holocaust serve?

I'm not interested in BBC censoring comments, or the legality of the swastika vs. communist t-shirts. Those are diversions from the issue at hand. I want to know what the Western Allies gain/have gained through the alleged Holocaust fiction.


MH 07-21-11 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory (Post 1709282)
The russians admitted after the fall of the berlin wall, that they built the smoke stacks at Auschwitz after the war, and if you watch the alternative tour of Auschwitz on google, you can see that they are not even connected to anything.

So what was really going on there-that is in Auschwitz?

Krauter 07-21-11 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory (Post 1709282)

The russians admitted after the fall of the berlin wall, that they built the smoke stacks at Auschwitz after the war, and if you watch the alternative tour of Auschwitz on google, you can see that they are not even connected to anything.

Auschwitz wasn't closed after the war....

The Communists and Stalin used the German concentration and death camps as their own after the war to imprison German POWs and undesirables.

KaptCosper 07-21-11 10:29 AM

I do believe there was a holocaust, but what i really want to know.. is why Hess killed himself at 93.. I would have just finished the sentence

conspiracy_theory 07-21-11 10:31 AM

[quote] Oh? Do you have a source for that? I've seen and heard about quite a few documents that detail it.

You've actually seen them?

[quote]Indeed, it's a good thing the Nazis had built extensive crematoriums there to do the job then, isn't it?

i've just googled them,a regualr size crematorium
,in which they burnt 1000's per day? It takes hours for one body to burn.


If you google death camps,you will see 1000's of jewish websites telling us all about the holocaust.But why it is illegal to deny or question it publicly??? I think that says it all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_ag...locaust_denial

Feuer Frei! 07-21-11 10:32 AM

There is indeed something to be said about the reasons why we are not allowed to question what happened in the past.
It is a crime to question anything that was the Holocaust.
Or so the law says.
I say, what good does that do to the plea of freedom of speech and the freedom to always search for truth and justice?
Why is it a crime to seek these things?
I can understand it being a crime to deny something that occurred or to use parts of history for advocating violence and attrocities in today's society.
Using historie's tools of worship and ideologies of crimes and acts against humanity.
However, is this the only reason why free man cannot question the past?
What does that mean to me? It means that i am not able to think for myself. I am given information about an occurrance in the past and i am told that if i do not believe it and that if i openly question this event that i am acting against the law.
Am i alluding or alleging conspiracy here?
No, but i think it is inherently wrong for man to not be able to seek questions to answers or to wonder and research parts of history without upsetting certain parts of society.

Krauter 07-21-11 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory (Post 1709292)
Oh? Do you have a source for that? I've seen and heard about quite a few documents that detail it.

You've actually seen them?

Indeed, it's a good thing the Nazis had built extensive crematoriums there to do the job then, isn't it?

i've just googled them,a regualr size crematorium
,in which the burnt 1000's per day? It takes hours for one body to burn.


If you google death camps,you will see 1000's of jewish websites telling us all about the holocaust.But why it is illegal deny or question it publicly??? I think that says it all.

Source for what? The crematoriums? Well aside from pictures like this:

http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvi...orium-mini.GIF
and
http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/photo/lc/image/03/0315.jpg

Also, who else would write about the Holocaust? The Russians, Americans, French? Christians? They weren't in death camps. The Jews was. So isn't it logical for them to write about it? Or does Logic escape you?



For more about what this guy thinks was a freaking tea party :shifty: : http://isurvived.org/Holocaust-definition.html

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei! (Post 1709294)
What does that mean to me? It means that i am not able to think for myself. I am given information about an occurrance in the past and i am told that if i do not believe it and that if i openly question this event that i am acting against the law.
Am i alluding or alleging conspiracy here?
No, but i think it is inherently wrong for man to not be able to seek questions to answers or to wonder and research parts of history without upsetting certain parts of society.

I'm not for censoring the information, but when you blatantly disregard the facts and testimonials of people who were both there, both on the receiving and giving end, then that's just stupid. It's blatantly spitting in the face of those who survived and those who died.

Growler 07-21-11 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory (Post 1709282)
How do i know lol,i just like conspiracies.

It could be said that it is because the poeple that run our western countries,the same people that made Britain go to war over Poland???, and then let Russia have it for free, have had something to gain from it, as the book the holocaust industry says,the U.S.A alone gives Israel the equivilent of $40,000 per Israely every year Beacause of the holocaust, god knows why.

Also, with the capitalists on one side and the communists on the other, they do not want a new power like national socialism getting in their way for world domination. So they make it very unattractive, even illegal.

The russians admitted after the fall of the berlin wall, that they built the smoke stacks at Auschwitz after the war, and if you watch the alternative tour of Auschwitz on google, you can see that they are not even connected to anything.


So if I'm understanding you correctly, it's the Western Allies play for global domination that created the myth of the Holocaust; a myth further promulgated by the support of the Israelis to the tune of ~$40K/annum/person. So, basically, the Holocaust isn't a Western Allies' construction, it is a construction of the Jews, perpetuated through the Western Allies, with the goal of global domination by the Jews. Am understanding correctly?

I don't understand how a pro-Jewish global conspiracy would have Britain go to war over Poland - and Polish Jews - only to cede that nation to Soviet control, whereupon profession of any faith - especially Jewish faith - was as likely to lead to death as it was in Nazi Germany.

MH 07-21-11 10:41 AM

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"The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it."
Mengele
...........

conspiracy_theory 07-21-11 10:41 AM

Your post illustrates my point,they had a normal ammount of crematoria,no other way of getting rid of the millions they suggest.

And my point on the jewish websites was, some people say, the reason we are not allowed by law (now think about that statement) to deny or question the holocaust is that it is too upsetting for jews,when its all they bloody talk about.

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Originally Posted by Krauter (Post 1709295)
Source for what? The crematoriums? Well aside from pictures like this:

http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvi...orium-mini.GIF
and
http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/photo/lc/image/03/0315.jpg

Also, who else would write about the Holocaust? The Russians, Americans, French? Christians? They weren't in death camps. The Jews was. So isn't it logical for them to write about it? Or does Logic escape you?



For more about what this guy thinks was a freaking tea party :shifty: : http://isurvived.org/Holocaust-definition.html


Krauter 07-21-11 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory (Post 1709305)
Your post illustrates my point,they had a normal ammount of crematoria,no other way of getting rid of the millions they suggest.

What? Can you please expand on your posts rather then repeating yourself?

Hottentot 07-21-11 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory (Post 1709243)
I think you maybe a little misled my friend. Can you show me where in mein kampf where it mentions exterminating anybody.

Chapter 5.

Marxism, whose final objective was and is and will continue to be the destruction of all non-Jewish national States, had to witness in those days of July 1914 how the German working classes, which it had been inveigling, were aroused by the national spirit and rapidly ranged themselves on the side of the Fatherland. Within a few days the deceptive smoke-screen of that infamous national betrayal had vanished into thin air and the Jewish bosses suddenly found themselves alone and deserted. It was as if not a vestige had been left of that folly and madness with which the masses of the German people had been inoculated for sixty years. That was indeed an evil day for the betrayers of German Labour. The moment, however, that the leaders realized the danger which threatened them they pulled the magic cap of deceit over their ears and, without being identified, played the part of mimes in the national reawakening.

The time seemed to have arrived for proceeding against the whole Jewish
gang of public pests. Then it was that action should have been taken regardless of any consequent whining or protestation. At one stroke, in the August of 1914, all the empty nonsense about international solidarity was knocked out of the heads of the German working classes. A few weeks later, instead of this stupid talk sounding in their ears, they heard the noise of American-manufactured shrapnel bursting above the heads of the marching columns, as a symbol of international comradeship. Now that the German worker had rediscovered the road to nationhood, it ought to have been the duty of any Government which had the care of the people in its keeping, to take this opportunity of mercilessly rooting out everything that was opposed to the national spirit. While the flower of the nation's manhood was dying at the front, there was time enough at home at least to exterminate this vermin. But, instead of doing so, His Majesty the Kaiser held out his hand to these hoary criminals, thus assuring them his protection and allowing them to regain their mental composure. And so the viper could begin his work again. This time, however, more carefully than before, but still more destructively. While honest people dreamt of reconciliation these perjured criminals were making preparations for a revolution.

[...]

But what should have been done then? Throw the ringleaders into gaol, prosecute them and rid the nation of them? Uncompromising military measures should have been adopted to root out the evil. Parties should have been abolished and the Reichstag brought to its senses at the point of the bayonet, if necessary. It would have been still better if the Reichstag had been dissolved immediately. Just as the Republic to-day dissolves the parties when it wants to, so in those days there was even more justification for applying that measure, seeing that the very existence of the nation was at stake. Of course this suggestion would give rise to the question: Is it possible to eradicate ideas by force of arms?

[...]

The application of force alone, without moral support based on a spiritual concept, can never bring about the destruction of an idea or arrest the propagation of it, unless one is ready and able ruthlessly to exterminate the last upholders of that idea even to a man, and also wipe out any tradition which it may tend to leave behind.

[...]


When sheer force is used to combat the spread of a doctrine, then that force must be employed systematically and persistently. This means that the chances of success in the suppression of a doctrine lie only in the persistent and uniform application of the methods chosen. The moment hesitation is shown, and periods of tolerance alternate with the application of force, the doctrine against which these measures are directed will not only recover strength but every successive persecution will bring to its support new adherents who have been shocked by the oppressive methods employed. The old adherents will become more embittered and their allegiance will thereby be strengthened. Therefore when force is employed success is dependent on the consistent manner in which it is used.[...]

conspiracy_theory 07-21-11 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Growler (Post 1709298)
So if I'm understanding you correctly, it's the Western Allies play for global domination that created the myth of the Holocaust; a myth further promulgated by the support of the Israelis to the tune of ~$40K/annum/person. So, basically, the Holocaust isn't a Western Allies' construction, it is a construction of the Jews, perpetuated through the Western Allies, with the goal of global domination by the Jews. Am understanding correctly?

yes 100%




I don't understand how a pro-Jewish global conspiracy would have Britain go to war over Poland - and Polish Jews - only to cede that nation to Soviet control, whereupon profession of any faith - especially Jewish faith - was as likely to lead to death as it was in Nazi Germany.

Well you need to watch that irving vid.He has proof of all this btw letter from rich and powerfull jews to churchill, he even has a challenge for a $1000 dollars and his reputation of course that no one can prove other wise.

Raptor1 07-21-11 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory (Post 1709292)
i've just googled them,a regualr size crematorium
,in which they burnt 1000's per day? It takes hours for one body to burn.

Five, actually, Birkenau (The main site) had four of them. And no, they apparently weren't enough as, like you said, they had to resort to burning bodies in open air pits.

Lord Justice 07-21-11 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory (Post 1709282)

the same people that made Britain go to war over Poland???, and then let as the book the holocaust industry says,the U.S.A alone gives Israel the equivilent of $40,000 per

You set such an example you are much to be applauded. I ought to mention, by this, I mean the execution of the way you have chanced to deliver Britain and the USA. I am affraid I shall not be able to flatter you, I cannot conceive it my duty to be in the least influenced to make a post regarding your fancy. However I will advise, your trifles are starting to look ridiculous. Whatever your opinions on such a sensitive subject, you will not draw me, I find your propensity for action is very apt to lead you into verbal engagements. Before I blush, I beg you be done with, I would be much obliged. Good day.

Krauter 07-21-11 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory (Post 1709318)
Well you need to watch that irving vid.He has proof of all this btw letter from rich and powerfull jews to churchill, he even has a challenge for a $1000 dollars and his reputation of course that no one can prove other wise.

Just watched the video and all I'm hearing is a bunch of bull**** that has so many holes in the story it might as well be swiss cheese

Edit: @ Lord Justice.. can we get that in plain English please... :shifty:

Growler 07-21-11 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory (Post 1709318)
Well you need to watch that irving vid.He has proof of all this btw, he even has a challenge for a $1000 dollars and his reputation of course that no one can prove other wise.

As I said earlier, I'm not in a position wherein I can view videos, so I'll need you to clarify that point for me: I don't understand how a pro-Jewish global conspiracy would have Britain go to war over Poland - and Polish Jews - only to cede that nation to Soviet control, whereupon profession of any faith - especially Jewish faith - was as likely to lead to death as it was in Nazi Germany, even as it was alleged that Marxism was creating the environment for Jews to thrive and take over control.

Raptor1 07-21-11 10:56 AM

Ah, missed this:

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory (Post 1709292)
You've actually seen them?

Yes, I have. If you're asking whether I've seen the original documents in person, rather than photographs or copies of them, then I haven't, as far as I recall.

Krauter 07-21-11 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Growler (Post 1709328)
As I said earlier, I'm not in a position wherein I can view videos, so I'll need you to clarify that point for me: I don't understand how a pro-Jewish global conspiracy would have Britain go to war over Poland - and Polish Jews - only to cede that nation to Soviet control, whereupon profession of any faith - especially Jewish faith - was as likely to lead to death as it was in Nazi Germany, even as it was alleged that Marxism was creating the environment for Jews to thrive and take over control.

Also, why would Jews, which in the video he states were then the richest people in Germany at the time want communism? That would result in them losing their power and, as history has show us, be persecuted as a religious sect.

Lord Justice 07-21-11 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Krauter (Post 1709322)

Edit: @ Lord Justice.. can we get that in plain English please... :shifty:

I am stating that I will not be drawn into posting this topic, I find the member is pulling at strings for gratification. I am asking him to drop it in a kind manner before this all gets heated. Good day sir.


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