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Here's on for the mathematicians:
would it be economically viable, to salvage an entire ship, sell the fuel and sell the ship itself as scrap metal. Food for thought |
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Does that answer your question about the economic viability of an expensive salvage operation to raise a rusting wreck from the bottom of the sea to put it into a scrap yard?:03: |
True true, but I think I read somewhere that a salvaged ship becomes the property of the salvor after certain conditions are met, while you stil lhave to buy the rusting heap in the docks
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Buying the Rusted Ships is cheaper then a salvage operation.
The problem is once you buy/salvage one? You have to move it then cut it up small enuff to scrap it. The move and haveing a place to move it to with a dry dock is not cheap. Add the wages to the workers who must then cut it up and all the handleing to get it to a scrap buyer. |
Damn, there goes another idea for a business :-?
Someone could write a paper: The collective analysis or How Subsim prevents bad ideas in the business world And a whole section would be dedicated to Tribesman, titled: The devils advocate |
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It is a bad idea anyway salvage operations cost millions and the oil would almost certainly already be useless after being exposed to small amounts of sea water for 70,80,90 years.They already have to extensively refine oil as it is and I think I saw on some show this engineer saying that they only end using for anything including oil about 60% of crude at best the rest of it gets pumped right back down.
The only reason they salvage some sunken ships is when they discover that they are leaking a large amount of bunker oil into the sea.From what I understand the US Navy monitors all its sunken ships that can be reasonably reached and do something if a large leak is discovered.The vessel OP mentioned was at good levels for years and was damaged by a very violent typhoon so they had to salvage the oil or the correct term would be remove it and dispose of it.Clearly the oil would be largely useless and or the small amount gained is not worth the cost I bet it cost more oil in operations to salvage the oil from a wreck than what you might get from it which would be none I strongly guess do to sea and and rust exposure. I dont not understand why some people think oil will last forever Oh I know what it is ignorance I was the same way until I got to my first active duty base in the USAF and saw just at that base how much oil,gas,diesel,jet fuel,hydraulic fluid is used at one base and then though multiply this by every major military base,airport,and seaport on earth and then it hit me and that is not even taking into account all the trucks and trains that use oil to operate then all the cars and everything else..... it wont last forever WWII was fought partly over control of it we have fought twice in Iraq over it see the writing on the wall. |
I wonder how much one could make from salvaging the Komsomolets? Tons of high grade titanium, two nuclear reactors and ... *cough* *cough* two nuclear bombs *cough* :hmmm:
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They do it in the cutting yards here in Baltimore. There was the USS Coral Sea cut up to make razor blades. A bunch more. I watched it dwindle everyday I drove by the berth. There is money in cutting them up for scrap. For the most part getting the vessel to the cutting yard is the hurdle. If she is not sea worthy it creates a lot of logistical problems. |
At 5000+ feet down, probably a protected sight due to deaths?
And assumeing the U.S. has not already 'visited' the sight with advanced submurgables? I see little value at this time to mess with it. |
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Someone stated the idea simply of salvaging the sunken ships for the metal no need for that seeing as they can get that metal from retired vessels that merely need be cut apart.Many vessels only last about 10-15 years anyway such as the super tankers and container ships sure some have been around since the 80's but many companies would rather assume the cost of building a new one every decade than re-working an old one so the trend with many shipping companies is to buy a 10 year ship and then sell it for scrap or to another buyer often they are pretty worn out though such a large vessel sailing the high seas for several years does much wear and tear.(keep in mind that most naval vessels spend half their time in docks the other at sea while a commercial vessel will be at sea for many years.)
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