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Well at least they didnae call it 'Token Black'.... :D

Sigh ain't PC a wonderful thing.... :down:

Cheers

Garion

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1683455)

is that Obama? :o

According to Yubba, probably yes. :03:

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1683458)

Red Dawn remake. :03:

To be honest though, I'm not as concerned as I was about this film when I read that Stephen Fry was writing the script. He's usually quite good with historical accuracy. I think (and hope) that ****** is the only thing to be changed for modern audiences. Plus David Frost is on the team, so I imagine the reason why it's only just been confirmed now that ****** is out is because it's taken them this long to win him over. :haha:

Sir David's choice is Nigsy, which Gibson sometimes called ******. So I think that would be an excellent, and still authentic, choice.

And how come when a black man says that word it's socially acceptable, but with a white man it's not? But I can't ask that as that's also deemed racist to even imply there is a difference one way or the other! :damn:

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1683465)

And how come when a black man says that word it's socially acceptable, but with a white man it's not?

Because when a white man says it, it carries with it the baggage of 400 years of slavery.

And back on topic...I'm on the fence about this. I can see why they would change it, but then again, why should they? I guess the controversy of changing it is much less than the controversy of not changing it.

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1683455)

is that Obama? :o

No. Too busy playin' golf.:shifty:

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Originally Posted by Garion (Post 1683459)

Well at least they didnae call it 'Token Black'.... :D

Sigh ain't PC a wonderful thing.... :down:

Cheers

Garion

:har: My favorite "token black" is the cook in "Crash Dive." All of the period WW2 movies have their token black dude, and jewish guy, and someone from Flatbush.:haha:

@ Herr Berr; Wonderful movie!:rock::yeah:

So we forgo history and favour RE-writing it, just to be politically correct?
Well, what's the point of having history at all then?
Historical accuracy? Nope.
But, it would just be easy meat for the media if it wasn't changed.
They better start remaking a ton of films then and re-writing history.
Burying or hiding or changing history is not being realistic.

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1683466)

I guess the controversy of changing it is much less than the controversy of not changing it.

Oh, and don't forget the shameless free publicity! :smug:

@McBee, thank you! :D

The dog was called ******...end of.

I'm sick of these bloody PC thugs saying we can not say this we can not say that....Blah blah blah.

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And how come when a black man says that word it's socially acceptable,

It should not be acceptible. Many in the black community have stated this.

-shrug-

subsim motion: Motion to change Steed's user name to: Stigger:hmmm: , or maybe "Gordon's Pet.":O:

all vote:

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1683452)

I was also about to rant that if I had a budget of some £26m (us$42m) I would probably invest in building some real a/c, but then I came across this site http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment...for-Dambusters and found he's had ten replicas manufactured in China (so that's it then, N. Korea will be the target :D). Still, to manufacture a flying replica would have been better.

Damn how did I miss that article, good find!

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1683413)

I think it is only right that history is rewritten to prevent any possible offence.
They should follow the earlier example and call the dog Trigger instead of ******, the dog must be played by Roger Loyd Pack and must frequently call Guy Gibson "Dave".

And Trigger should fly one of the planes after the pilot is wounded. And get the girl. Girl dog, that is.

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1683488)

It should not be acceptible. Many in the black community have stated this.

-shrug-

Many in the black community have also said that Nigga is acceptable, but ****** isn't.
Beats me.

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1683488)

It should not be acceptible. Many in the black community have stated this.

-shrug-

The acceptability of words in a social situation should depend on the context the given word is used in, no word itself should be concidered inherently offensive.

What would Mel Brooks do?:hmmm:

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee (Post 1683499)

What would Mel Brooks do?:hmmm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YgxI9W_3qU

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke (Post 1683498)

The acceptability of words in a social situation should depend on the context the given word is used in, no word itself should be concidered inherently offensive.

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it is arguably the most consequential social insult in American History, though, at the same time, a word that reminds us of ***8216;the ironies and dilemmas, tragedies and glories of the American experience***8217;***8221; (Kennedy 1).

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As a black American male, the word ****** conjures up within me hate, hostility, violence, oppression, and a very shameful and unfortunate part of American History. The word symbolizes the everlasting chains of a people plagued with hate and bondage simply because of skin color. For many black people, including myself, ****** is the most pejorative word in the English language. Even when compared to racial slurs like kike, honkey, cracker, wet back, spic, jungle bunny, pod, tarbaby, and white trash, ****** is noted as the worst insult in the English language. The word ****** suggests that black people are second class citizens, ignorant and less than human.

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Should ****** be Used as a term of Endearment in the Black Community and Everywhere?
Randall Kennedy argues that the word ****** should be usable by all people as long as no one is being harmed. ***8220;There is nothing necessarily wrong with a white person saying ******, just like there is nothing necessarily wrong with a black person saying it. What should matter is the context in which the word is spoken***8221; (Kennedy 51). Here Kennedy argues that context can determine how ****** is used, and to treat the word otherwise would transform ****** into a kind of fetish. Fetish by definition means to treat something with unusual obsession or devotion.

http://wrt-intertext.syr.edu/XI/******.html

Using B2's instead of Lancasters would be rewriting history. Changing the name of a dog? Hardly...