Any landing you can recover identifiable pieces of the aircraft and pilot from is a good one...

Okay other than trims and such though, anything else I should map out or learn to use real well?? Any tips on shooting?? IM playing with realistic bullet path on now so they curve as Im pulling on the stick so its a PITA to hit things haha.

Fly with labels on so you see the distance to the enemy, sooner or later you start to remember the distances by looking how big the enemy plane is in your sights.

Do all planes have sights?? Because I flew the me 262 for fun and realized it doesn't have one. I also realized how ridiculously powered the jet is. I mean I dropped 2 b - 17s in like seconds. I always run against two b 17s to just fly new planes and fly them around and get a grip on them and such.

Press Shift-F1.

Most German fighters have off-center gunsights for some reason, so you have to switch the view to use them.

4 Mk108 30mm machine cannons.:yeah:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK_108_cannon
That's about as much fire power as you will get in a WWII fighter. Not comparable to the .50 Cal. peashooters. It was designed to knock down heavy bombers (and therefore Hitler thought it would be a good idea to use it mainly as a fighter bomber....well he knew best of course....).

That is something you get used to, believe it or not

My advice is to get with Jaw of the 8FS squadron. I think they've changed names but ask around in Hyperlobby and you'll find him.

Oh man I haven't flown IL-2 in sooo long... Its been over a year.

I think I should get back in the saddle. I'll patch up tonight. Need a wingman? I used to fly ground attack like the angel of death and once I was on your tail I was like some sort of missile.

Well I would very much like that offer but I doubt I could really do much online right now, I have kinda crappy internet. Maybe we'd have to see if I can keep my internet from being a PITA. I mean I played Xbox Live on it okay I had a decent connection most of the time but I think probably too much little bits of lag for a flying game to be any fun.

Okay now I am going to try online and see how my internet handles, what patch level do I need to be at? And where can I get all of the patches I need?

Also where or how do I get hyperlobby

plus Id like to know if theres an essential GWX like mod that people usually use on here or if there are some nice skin packs, I'd really like some new looking planes.

The current version is 4.10m, as for mods try HSFX or the Ultra Pack.

In fact, the latest version is 4.101m, and the update order is 4.08m -> 4.09m -> 4.10m -> 4.101m. I don't have links for all of them at the moment, but they shouldn't be hard to find.

EDIT: Well, actually, M4T has all of them here, though you do need to register. There's a megapatch that supposedly updates the stock version to the latest one, but I'm not sure how well that works.

where would I find those mods?

You'll have to search for them, since linking IL-2 mods on Subsim is not allowed (Though discussing them is).

*cough* look for 242Sqn and IL2WAR, respectively *cough*

I recommend the HOTAS Thrustmaster Joystick:yep:. Reading the manual several times, customizing down the pitch, roll, yaw to less sensitive settings. Try this setting on the yaw 0,8,19,29,39,51,62,75,86,100. Join the Mission 4 Today forums. Also fighter planes are more sensitive and more responsive. The Bombers like the Heinkel 111 are more easier to manuever. Alot of reading:zzz:, customizing of controls, & practice, practice, practice. Enjoy I love this sim also:up:! Alot pilot trainers recommend this Sim.

I need to figure out how to deal with this stupid bouncing. What I mean by that is I am flying a Hurricane in my career right now and have its a PITA to hit a target because the plane wants to bounce around when I make adjustments to get into firing position. It sucks, it takes me litterally 15 minutes to shoot down one bomber. Plus Im not sure if the hurricanes are just incredibly weak or the betty bombers incredibly strong, but I peppered one from a perfect six o' clock postion for probably a good full 20 seconds and STILL didnt shoot it down. its quite dis-heartening to have flown 3 or 4 missions already and only got one kill :(:down:

EDIT: Now that I Read it I think maybe that bounce Im having is attributed to the joystick settings like Kpt. Nicaraguan suggested I edit??

EDIT 2: I also noticed my aileron trim doesnt work,, or is it possibly just with the hurricanes?? Like they dont have that trim or something?? Same goes for my open cockpit command and a few other things.

What is your convergence?

what it was set too. 500 m or 50 im not sure. But what Im having problems with is the plane itself bouncing all around, I adjust up a bit and unless I keep that exact pressure on the stick, (even after holding it there for a bit) I lose my position and bounce back down right to where I was set at before. Its really annoying.

That's normal. The plane always wants to get into a certain pitch depending on weight, speed and control surface input. If you change your elevator input the plane will change it's pitch, if you release the input the plane will go back to it's "natural" flight attitude. That is what the trim is for.;)

So its that how real pilots do it?? Get into a turn with a plan line up the sites and then set the trim?? Or is there a way to get into that turn hold my elevators in a certain position and then set that to be the trim position (Like an auto button?)