That may be a convenient characterization for you to make, but it is hardly accurate. One can voice concerns about police activities without being a cop hater.

yeah - he probably didnt learn a thing.

I'm not sure, but i think the police have a right to restrain a person who is interfering with official matters or otherwise being belligerent even if a crime has not necessarily been committed. - not really placing them under arrest - but just taking them out of the equation so to speak.

then again - im no expert on the subject

Ive seen way too many of these threads. Particuarlly on fark.com. It's always about "fight the power!". Or those damn dirty cops.

If i was a cop, and some jackwagon asked me, "Mind if i video tape this?", my first thought would be, "Oh great.. one of THESE guys. Mr OMG I'm being Oppressed". My reply would probably be, "No sir, i have enough supervision on my dash game as it is. Everything is already being recorded for posterity". My wanted reply would be, "What, so you can go whine on youtube when you get home? I don't F'ing think so!".


Best way to deal with cops? Recognize they are a properly constituted authority, and theres always going to be someone who can tell you what to do in society, be it your boss at work, or law enforcement. You don't have to respect the man, but you do have to respect the position. Anyone ex military can relate to that. Comply with the directions your given, and don't back talk. Be honest, be polite, don't pop off with an attitude.

If there's a problem, just get his badge number with the date and time of the incident and bring it to the courts. All three of those bits of information will be enough. Date, time, and badge number. Back talking, being a smart ass, or in particular non complying will get you into hot water. Just don't do it, or you'll end up as the butt of a joke on the next episode of a cop reality TV show on Spike network that I like to watch so much.

Far from it, the reason for this thread was not to incite and drag out of the woodworks all the cop haters on this forum.
The issue i have with cops (or persons in authority) is when that person or persons incite double standards. In this case, cops, who are meant to enforce laws and regulations, which may well have been the case here, but, in a professional and curteous manner.
Like i said, you're a cop, and you think you can talk to someone like that?
You can see it in the tone of the cop's voice that he lost his cool and that he acted without some sort of professionalism.

Correct.
I call it pigeon-holeing.
Lumping all the people into one category.

When what Ive read , reads like every other cop hatred thread i have read, your damn right its gonna get pigeon holed.

But that's the problem the video is not recorded for posterity, it is recorded to protect the cop and to further the prosecutor's case.

I wonder how many times when the video shows something in favour of the defense or something that shows impropriety on the cop's fault that something happens to the tape?

You can't have too much evidence in a case.

This gives me a chance to reverse the oft told phrase: If the cop has done nothing wrong he or she has nothing to worry about. Right? :)

That's what the police tell us. And a cop would not lie to us. :nope:

You really need to see clips of Russian,Brazilian,and French Paris cops and see what they'd do the second you back talked them.Like the guy in the car he would have been grabbed and pulled out of the window and thrown on the ground for talking back like that.

I recall years back we had this Brazilian exchange student at my school and he went with and some friends to see a movie in front of the theater was a fairly heavy set cop and some kids where actually vocally mocking him though he just ignored them the Brazilian kid was shocked that the kids where doing this and seemed to have no fear of disrespecting authority."You would never see that in Brazil" he kept saying.

Generally speaking 97% of American cops are fairly decent and many give a lot of breaks when they could be much harsher legally not saying that there are not bad cops out there but they are the minority.I can recall a few times in my younger days getting away with much.Like once some squadron mates and I got hammered and decided to ride around the base on our bikes we saw a Security Police(Air Force for Military Police) car coming so we tried to ride down this trail but they had seen us.Clearly we where all drunk and could have been taken in for that and for evading but they just told us to go back to the dorms and stay out of trouble we all should have spent the weekend in the stockade according to the UCMJ.Another time a buddy and I got caught sneaking back onto base in Turkey when the base was on lock down(what can I say there where some pretty Turkish girls in town)that is a pretty serious violation and the SPs let us go Scot free in both cases I just got very very lucky that SPs that caught me felt like being lax a did not apply normal standards.I guarantee you will find far more stories of cops giving people breaks than being oppressors it is just that later type makes the news.I have tons from not so law abiding civilian old friends.

I agree that some folks out there just dont like any form of authority(until they need their aid that is) and feel cool for bucking it.Want to see what happens when the police go away? look at New Orleans hours/days post Katrina.You need some one who enforces rule of law like it or not.

By they way almost all police patrol cars in the US have cameras in them so they don't have much to hide or they'd not have them in place and they can tell when cameras have been turned off or tampered with.And you would need to have a given state,county,cities statues books to know what is an arrestable offense in that area.



@Ducimus he should have farted in his oppressors general direction to stop him.:har:

Being a cop doesn't make you something other than human though. Making a single strong statement does not prove, to me, that he lost his cool.

I don't hate them, but I'm not putting my rights in jeopardy because I want to be a nice guy. There are great cops and bad cops out there, and you don't know which one you're dealing with when they stop you or come knocking on your door. That's why I take the say nothing route.

It is also very clear if you pay attention in the clip that the passenger spoke in a very disrespect towards authority manner then the cop told him shut his mouth which he kept moving displaying his intent not follow instructions.

Even when you know the cop is wrong it is wise to simply keep your mouth shut and remain calm.A good friend of mine had a bad incident where he legally pulled a gun on a man who approached him at knife point a by stander thought that my friend was the assailant not the victim and called the police in the mean time the true assailant ran away.

Two police approached and one who was not so good a cop arrested him on the spot.Lucky for my friend he remained calm and did not say much of anything in the end several witnesses and the second lower ranking good cop got the situation corrected.

Obligatory video:
How not to get your ass kicked by the police!

Oh, and one thing ive always wondered about cop hatred threads, is how many people who bitch about cops, obey the law in the first place. If you watch the above video, i personally cleared in the first step.

Obey the law.

Of my own accord, ive been stopped by a cop, twice in my entire life. First was for speeding, second was out of date tags.

Of NOT of my own accord, ive been detained by the cops, twice that i can recall. Both times were not of my doing, but my drunken Ex's doing. (loud and biligerant in the first incident, lying to the cops on the second incident, and i was nowhere around, i was at home, modding SH4. ) I remained calm, polite, did as instructed, always told the truth, and both times I walked away, without a scratch, either physically or legally.

working in a meat dept. dosen't either...but I am Expected to deal with people in a calm and respectful manner no matter what. If a 19 year old making 8.50 an hour is expected to act this way, a trained police officer on a traffic stop damn well better act like that too. Even if the passenger did "speak disrespectfully" the police officer is the professional, nobody else gets to behave in this manner and not get in trouble at work.

Working as a retail clerk behind a counter, is not the same thing. As a retail clerk, your talking to the customer. Your trying to get that person to buy something from you.

A cop, is not trying to sell you anything, he is there to enforce the law. You are not a customer, you are either: the citizen let off with a warning, the signatory of a citation, or a suspect in a criminal investigation,..... but customer.... no.

You are trying to compare vastly different jobs in your line of work(and most peoples) the possibility of encountering a possibility violent person is highly un-likely the odds that a cop will is highly likely and would require them to maintain control of a situation as best as possible.All I can say is walk a mile or two in cops shoes (or more like a year or two) and see things from their perspective rather than having a most of them are big heads attitude.

If one cant take strong verbal statements/someone in authority telling you what to do explicitly all I can say is they should stay far away from the military because they would really dislike basic training and the military as whole as commands given are not to be questioned and by law the same applies to any person when a law enforcement officer is telling you to do something.Anyone who served will tell you that some superiors where good and fair and other where not but that they respected the rank and authority that their position warranted and most times extremely bad apples got dealt with in the correct manner.The same rules can be applied to civilian law enforcement.

Once again, this is not intended to invite discussion on how much we (allegedly) hate cops.
Pigeon-Holeing. So you are lumping me into the group of cop haters? Nice. Thanks for that.

Yea, so? Obey the law, ofc. But what has that got to do with the passenger asking the cop something and the cop telling the guy to shut his mouth?
Sorry, don't see the correlation here.
Ask a cop something, without aggression, without swearing, without sarcasm, end-result: Shut your mouth! Nice cop, full of civilty. So why don't all cops say to people: shut your mouth then?
I've been pulled over for random breath tests, speeding and have encountered professional police men and women and when i have asked them questions, which by the way i am entitled to do they haven't replied with: shut your mouth.
If they did, then i would take offence to that and possibly take it further.


Not much different from the passenger asking a question, although the circumstances are different, but, asking a general question is not illegal, nor is it against the law.

Agree, at the end of the day, you treat people how you want to be treated.
Doesn't make any difference where you work or what you do.


I doubt if that's the point he was making, he was generalising, i think.
Treat people how you want to be treated.
Wearing a badge doesn't make that any different.




Aha, yea sure i get that a cop's job is dangerous etc etc.
But, that is not the point of this discussion, is it?
We are not debating how dangerous a cop's job is.
We are debating that a cop should have some resemblance of civilty and act with a bit of professionalism.
Not tell a guy to shut his mouth.
Pretty primitive imo.

Once again, i don't think that is the point of this discussion.
No-one it seems has a problem with getting told what to do here.
Once again, i re-iterate that the discussion is about how one person speaks to another.

I don't know about the rest of you but i was always raised with the belief that it is ok to question things.
To ask questions, in a civil and polite manner.
And i will continue to ask questions if and when i am entitled to, which is pretty much everywhere.
It is my human right. That to me is more important than some clown telling me to shut my mouth if and when i ask a question.

Just a few points Feuer.
You are basing this on a recording of the only the part of the encounter so you cannot say all he did was "Ask a cop something, without aggression, without swearing, without sarcasm".
From what is available it can be seen that this event was not a one off with the people in the car, apparently the nasty cops have a vendetta against his family and hate his brother because...well because he has accidents and drives without insurance and with dodgy tags.
It looks live you may have been taken in by a whining pikey.

When was the last time you had a shootout in the meat department? Let's not compare apples and oranges here.

In "normal" cases, it usually is not talking very special, for the simple reason that what has (already posted above) that the potent suspects have already been realized that any further exposition of the word, is not to his advantage, quite the opposite

Ok, i think i see the crux of the issue here. A shattered sense of fair play.
"If I have to be nice, then soinso should too! So there!"

This may be a shock to some of you, but the world is not a fair place, and not everyone follows the same set of standards. As the old saying goes, nobody EVER said life was fair.

The world in fact, is a cold hard mistress. Nobody knows this better then anyone who has to deal with the ugliness of the world, head on. While your sitting there smug with yourselves, totally absorbed in your own little world, there is a TON of crap your not seeing or dealing with.