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Oberon 05-02-11 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1655146)
Strange, huh London is a much bigger city and has thus more citizens living, I have also never claimed that Stockholm is more than just London in question, but ..... the beer tastes better and the girls are more willing, :yep:

You've obviously been to the wrong places in London :03:

Gerald 05-02-11 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1655210)
You've obviously been to the wrong places in London :03:

Remind me not, the place is "known" :haha:

Egan 05-02-11 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1655210)
You've obviously been to the wrong places in London :03:

:D

I had a strange argument with someone on another board about London a few months ago. He kept going on about how all the food was terrible and he could never find anything he wanted to eat. That blew me away. I would imagine there are more places to eat, catering to a wider range of tastes, than anywhere else in Europe. Having said that, my favourite place to eat in London is a little Kebab shop in Southwark. It's brilliant. :up:

I remember an American gentleman I knew who ranted at me about how bad British food was. He kept going on about how awful the meal was he'd had when he was in London. Turned out he'd gone to Harry Ramsden's in Soho...Honestly, he's basing his views on a fast food chip shop in the most touristy part of the entire city. That's like basing a dislike of the English language on the fact that 'The DaVinci Code' wasn't a very good novel.

Now, where did John Paul go? I'm sure he was around here when we started...:O:

kranz 05-02-11 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1655135)

Hmm no Skybird in here yet? :hmm2:

he hasn't come back from the ceremony yet.

Gerald 05-02-11 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Egan (Post 1655227)
:D

I had a strange argument with someone on another board about London a few months ago. He kept going on about how all the food was terrible and he could never find anything he wanted to eat. That blew me away. I would imagine there are more places to eat, catering to a wider range of tastes, than anywhere else in Europe. Having said that, my favourite place to eat in London is a little Kebab shop in Southwark. It's brilliant. :up:

I remember an American gentleman I knew who ranted at me about how bad British food was. He kept going on about how awful the meal was he'd had when he was in London. Turned out he'd gone to Harry Ramsden's in Soho...Honestly, he's basing his views on a fast food chip shop in the most touristy part of the entire city. That's like basing a dislike of the English language on the fact that 'The DaVinci Code' wasn't a very good novel.

Now, where did John Paul go? I'm sure he was around here when we started...:O:

He has heard your prayers and will soon go back to square one :DL

Jimbuna 05-02-11 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1655210)
You've obviously been to the wrong places in London :03:

Nice one :DL

joea 05-02-11 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Egan (Post 1655138)
I love that part of the world. Napoli is a crazy old town but I really liked it. Capri, the Amalfi coast, Pompeii. Wish I was there right now. I'd like to go to Sorrento next time I'm down that way.

I was there last July, fantastic place. Best pizza ever. :yeah: Huge lemons too.

Egan 05-02-11 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by joea (Post 1655262)
I was there last July, fantastic place. Best pizza ever. :yeah: Huge lemons too.


Did you go to the Brandi? Best pizza I've ever had.

Betonov 05-02-11 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1655106)
But who goes to London, where it rained .... almost all year round, :timeout:

Me, visited a couple of years ago and sworn to return

joea 05-02-11 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Egan (Post 1655263)
Did you go to the Brandi? Best pizza I've ever had.

No, where is it? We went to a place in the centre of Napoli, and bought our own food from local grocers in Capri (heck of a difference in prices).

Gerald 05-02-11 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 1655266)
Me, visited a couple of years ago and sworn to return

Well I admit that the city has advantages, quite right and the people are friendly and that you should avoid red-haired girls ... they tend to have one of those damn mood, says one thing and do something else instead, :O:

Fish In The Water 05-02-11 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bakkels (Post 1654913)
I agree with every single word written here. Well said.

Thanks for the kind words. :yep:

gimpy117 05-02-11 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish In The Water (Post 1654603)
Right, but as large an issue as this is in the outside world it's pretty much dust under the carpet in Catholic circles.

Personally, I don't attach a large degree of personal blame on John Paul himself as I think the institution was already corrupt when he took over. That being said, (while I don't think he should be blamed for the misdeeds of individual priests), he does become culpable in my mind for the lack of a more appropriate response. This is where I think his leadership (or lack thereof) should be measured.

IMO, his primary shortcoming was in failing to help reform the institution in the wake of such shocking scandal. This is where I think he erred on the side of the status quo.

I don't agree with that, A saint is supposed to be somebody who does great things, It's hard to believe he didn't know about these offenses. If he would have done the opposite and stopped these acts, then yes, he deserves Sainthood...but...nothing was done, the church went so far as to move offenders out of jurisdiction to protect them.

I'm sorry..I just can't see why someone who had to power to stop this, but did nothing deserves to be a saint.

Fish In The Water 05-02-11 10:09 PM

I wouldn't expect everyone to agree, but perhaps you misunderstood as I never commented on his meriting sainthood. Matter of fact I suggested his legacy was tarnished by the fact he didn't act strongly enough to reform in the wake of sexual abuse.

Not really sure where the disagreement is here... :hmmm:

gimpy117 05-02-11 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish In The Water (Post 1655464)
I wouldn't expect everyone to agree, but perhaps you misunderstood as I never commented on his meriting sainthood. Matter of fact I suggested his legacy was tarnished by the fact he didn't act strongly enough to reform in the wake of sexual abuse.

Not really sure where the disagreement is here... :hmmm:

because I don't think anyone who knows of the molestation of children, but doesn't act would Ever be considered a saint in gods eyes. A true saint would have done as much as he can if they knew about it. The pope had enough power to stop it, even if it cost him his power a true saint would have done everything he could.

Fish In The Water 05-02-11 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1655465)
because I don't think anyone who knows of the molestation of children, but doesn't act would Ever be considered a saint in gods eyes. A true saint would have done as much as he can if they knew about it. The pope had enough power to stop it, even if it cost him his power a true saint would have done everything he could.

Fair enough but where did I say he should be a saint? :hmmm:

Castout 05-02-11 11:55 PM

Well for one it's a sainthood title given by the Pope, head of Catholic church.

One it is only a worldly title, world of the dead, hell and heaven don't care about it.
Two it is given by Pope Benedict and not God
Three John Paul II doesn't get anything out of this, really.
Four, it's not about John Paul II since he doesn't benefit from this.
Five, I'm a Catholic :hmmm:...umm maybe I should change my religion but any religion doesn't save anyone. That's the power of God.
Six, a certain Caucasian Catholic monk once relayed a death threat to me. He said something about being torn apart and being returned to the cosmos if I remain imbalance. Holy crickey Cosmos is my rice cooker. Never knew it could tore me apart.

You know I've since realized Catholicism to love injustice and take side with the powerful. Any petty powerful murderer and dictator would only need to be a Catholic to buy themselves the rights to persecute the weak and innocent while being dear friend of the Catholic church.

For the most recent example there must be reason why the Pope suggested diplomacy to Libya crisis, knowing fully that any peaceful settlement while Gaddafi remains in power would mean vengeance and death to many Pro democracy supporters and fighters and innocent lives.

I spent 15 minutes with my rice cooker but it never answered me, that monk must have been deluded. I recall God at least to have answered me immediately 4 times in the span of my 31 year of living. Cosmos, he got to be kidding. I've seen God but I have never seen a powerful rice cooker. The only people who are imbalance are the people who were after my life. The cowards who hide behind emblazoned state money.

But I guess Vatican is an expert when it comes to dirty money and money laundering. I mean that is what they are doing in their own Bank. Not once but twice and God knows how many times again it will be exposed. If you make peace with the devil and evil you're making yourself the enemy of the holy God to put simply. But of course if you do not know God it won't matter much I suppose.

Gerald 05-03-11 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish In The Water (Post 1655456)
Thanks for the kind words. :yep:

But you are good, no doubt about it :DL

Fish In The Water 05-03-11 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1655574)
But you are good, no doubt about it :DL

Very kind of you, thank you my friend. :salute:

Gerald 05-04-11 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish In The Water (Post 1656154)
Very kind of you, thank you my friend. :salute:

You are welcome, :up:


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