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For me it's the lack of strategic/operational niceties which have burned me out. SH 5 promised dynamic interactive wolfpack ops, which we once again didn't get. To have friendly subs-and other units, tho we do have planes occ. lending a helping hand (or stealing your kills, depending on your viewpoint)-out there fighting the good fight right along with you would greatly increase the depth of the operational side of things (along with a truly dynamic BDU/CONSUBPAC of course issuing substantive and timely orders left and right).
But as it stands there is absolutely no such meat on the campaign route bones, so yeah it just becomes a repetitive exercise in find/chase/ sink. You are the only effective operational sub in the entire fracking world-think about what that means, and how alone it makes you feel. Heck seeing an occ. merchant damaged by the deck gun of a friendly sub (right before the escorts undoubtedly blew his poor pathetic keyster out of the water) makes me feel even more depressed, because it reminds me of what could have been. |
I think something like that would add tons to the replayability of career mode. As it is now, you can have a different experience on every career, but a dynamic campaign with BdU issuing relevant orders would make it much more interesting. And wolfpacks would be the icing on the cake.
I think it's time we tried suing Ubisoft for the rights to SH3's source code :arrgh!: |
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At this point, what I want? -I want a full rendered interior ala SH5. -I want something passably complex ala a Flight SIM. -I want to be able to interact with the crew like an RPG game. Said crew is interactive in and of themselves. -I want a campaign game that has rewards or consequences to my actions or inactions. To be put in a situation where im forced to make hard choices. -I want a mini game like solitare or Cribbage or something during those long transits periods. -I also wouldn't mind some FPS elements with small arms. Ethic's be damned, its a video game. If i feel like doing my own impression of Heinz-Wilhelm Eck, Or Dudley W Morton, or If i want to run to my cabin to produce a side arm via Das Boot, i should be able to. With iron sights and guns blazing, i want to be able to empty clips into whatever flotsam has drawn my ire. I don't have to have this, but it would be nice. ( I also want my cake and I want to eat it too :88) ) Show me that combination, and i'll show you a game that i'll wager most of us could play far longer then any title we have available to us. |
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And taking over the diving station, learning to actually trim a boat, etc, would be great. Dynamic campaign too. |
Burnout happens. Don't dwell on it too much. I've had it with so many games that I don't even pay attention anymore.
The good news is that sometimes after some months, it just comes back. Sometimes it doesn't come back instantly, but if you put in a bit of effort, everything just comes back. I'd also actually been burned out on SH for long periods of time, or I'd only have flashes of interest in it sporadically. But I got some free time in the past week, and guess what, your work on TMO has done much to get me back to SH4, which I haven't played (at least the PTO side of it) in a good year and a half. Suddenly the burnout is gone, at least for now. It's not the same as when it first came out, but it's still good. Often what will get me back is a good book or movie or visit - in this case, going on the USS Pampanito reignited my interest, so back I am. I think the important thing is just to keep it simple. Don't feel like it? Don't bother - there's lots more you can do to take up your time. I've got so many games that I've either never played or never really got into that even if I stopped buying anything gaming-related today, I'd probably have enough to last me the rest of my gaming life. As tempting as it is to get stuck on one title passionately, sometimes cycling through different interests is better. And I wouldn't bemoan the lack of 'deep' games either. Again, I have far more of those than I can afford to spend time on. |
Well this is an interesting thread. I haven't been around in awhile I know. I seem to go on binges from one type of game to another. I loved SH1 and still have original copy with all the patrol disks, and even 2 copies of CE! I have all the SH titles except for 5. I just didn't see the need. I know most people here like the realism factor and the more the better. For me I was happy with SH1 on about 75% realism. I played it for hours on end, losing whole weekends! I bought SH2 but just never could get into it, though I tried a few times, and even recently when I saw it was the classic reinstall game in PC Gamer magazine. Alas techology has finally caught up with that game and I'm having some graphic problems. SH3 looked interesting but the learning curve was just too much for me. Plus I wanted back in the Pacific. Uboats just didn't do it for me the way the American subs did. Then SH4 came out, like 10 yrs after SH1 and I was so stoked to finally get back to the pacific. The graphics were great, but honestly there was too much realism for me. I was hoping for SH4 graphics with an SH1 interface. I wanted a game where I could play for an hour a night and still be able to relax at the same time. And then there was the bugs and CTDs! I tried a few times to get into it, and the last time, maybe a year ago, I finally did and got into a campaign. Then some where around the summer of 42 I just lost interest/got side tracked, and I haven't continued it yet. I got into a FPS mood for a few months, then an RTS, and then back to FPS. Now I'm just taking a break from everything. The job has gotten busy, some health concerns (for me and my dogs) reared their heads and the musician side of me has been busier as well. I just don't have the necessary time to burn, like I used to. But I keep thinking that one day the spark will happen again. :)
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However at the same time I totally recognize the virtues of patience and the pleasure of learning, modding, tweaking, etc. as long as it doesn't take over my life. Spent the past year really brushing up on flying high-complexity payware airliners in my Flight Sim, and it's been one of the most rewarding 'gaming' experiences I could have, and it also helped me connect to aviation-related hobbyism generally. But it's not a job and when it gets to a point where it's a lot of stress and information overload for limited fun in return, I have no trouble dropping it for a few weeks. I think the key thing is not to jump to conclusions and stay open-minded. Don't burn your manuals, break your CDs, or sell you controllers if you're dead tired of a game. Give it a rest and then give it a chance later. Usually, odds are that unlike the average action title that you have no attachment to, these 'die-hard' sims and strategies will mean something to you - even if sometimes it gets buried under frustration, there's still a sort of personal connection you have, a residue of the work that you put into it all. And I always find it cool to come back to them and remember it. |
I burned out a while ago, but I got more than my money's worth from SH3.
I actually bought SH4 but even with all the patches it's still buggy and I just can't be arsed to test all the mods (something I had to do with SH3, and I must say that 95% of all mods I tried failed to pass). So I feel your pain Ducimus, but look on the bright side: it was fun while it lasted. :salute: |
This is why I think it is so important to take breaks from games. Any game, no matter how good, gets repetitive if you keep playing it.
That's why I have hundreds of games on my shelf. When I get burned out, I change to some other games and some of them are the older games and I focus on them for a while. I love Sub Sim games, but that does not mean that they are the only games I ever play. :nope: And let's face it, submarine games are not known for their edge of the seat excitement. Honestly, I can't imagine just playing SH3/4 without something else to do at the same time. I watch movies on my other computer while playing SH3/4 and only stop the movie when something happens. So take a break and don't feel "guilty" about taking a break. I even took a break from Subsim.com when I burned out (ok got pissed off) Breaks are healthy and necessary. That's the nice thing about war games... the war will still be there when you come back. :yeah: |
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For now yes and no.
SH3, Played it to death already, worked on modding it (so the magic has gone) and as Ducmius says its age shows, sadly I cant bear to look at it now or my eyes hurt :oops: SH4, I really,really,really,really,really,really,really,r eally,really,really REALLY tried to get into it and I just couldnt, I dont know why. When I bought it I was looking forward to the PTO, then when I played it, being in the Pacific just felt abit dull somehow - for the same reason the U-boat missions Expansion was equally dull for me, I just couldn't be bothered. However now with The Mediterenian and Baltic mods out there (amongst others) I just might just give it another go soon. SH5, I played a few patrols and then stopped, what IS there is some good potential, but that alone is not enough. Lack of U-Boat types, years 43-45, lack of AI units (especially merchents) ropey AI etc etc. Basically I want to enjoy Sh5 when its been tweaked and reworked, I dont want to play though it in its current state.... it needs to er, mature first. I am holding off until there is hopefully a WAC/GWX type super mod, avaliable, or somthing that offers some much needed brand new content, (rather than just the much needed tweaking) Coming from a fully modded Sh3 to the current SH5 can only be described as a giant leap fowards in visuals but a giant leap backward in terms of content. Truth is, I dont think I will ever enjoy any subsim as much as I enjoyed Sh3, It was all totally new to me then and thats what made it exciting. |
It can sound crazy to you but i think your problem is sin.
When you keep things clean and nice you get bored but not burned. |
Kind of, not as much as with Il-2 which I played steadily for the better part of a decade, only to dust it off anytime the Daidalos Team put out another addon (the next is supposed to include the Pe-8 VVS heavy bomber :yeah:) .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zY6X10zo4E As for Silent Hunter, got a bit burnt out with SH3 cause I was still in Uni (or rather had gone back) when it came out and had more spare time for games in general. With my upgrade last year I could finally try SH4 which really got me with the improved graphics and the novelty of the new theatre. While I still play it, it's just too tiring to play those long non-stop sessions I did before. I also have started getting into Steel Fury though tank warfare is new territory for me. Lately more of my gaming time is spent with browser flash games (some good ones) and especially gaming on my metrosexual iphone. :O: Besides some standard titles, I got very nice ports of past faves Doom and Space Invaders. My two fave apps of the moment are the following: http://www.f-sim.com Amazing shuttle approach and landing sim which is more involving and difficult than you might think-you can do full or final approaches. Change weather or add system failures. Another is not a game but for those who like space and astronomy is pretty cool. http://vitotechnology.com/star-walk.html Also shows you where the ISS and about 8000 satellites are besides stars and planets. Basically as others have said, change is good, if you get bored, do something else then come back to it-if not move on to something else. :shucks: |
I find it funny because my gaming appetite usually rotates from Subsimming to Flight Sims (combat or otherwise), to tank sims, to strategy games back to subsims and then the cycle continues :D
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Cause there are not plenty of WW2 subsims to choose from we stick with SH series that ends up boring gameplay there are days where I wont go near SH5 and days where I can't wait to load it up.
I find myself leaning more and more to role playing games, last month I brought 5 RPG games and still looking for more, it crazy as heading off on quests to kill wolves for their skins or help a dame in distress its like what the hell am I doing! But I can't get enough of it. I just picked up Avatar the game today and its actually not a bad RPG shooter, the gameworld detail creams every other game out there its the best detail i've seen in a game yet. Everything on ultra high damn jaw dropping. Avatar the game got averages score but i'm wondering if this game wasn't based on the movie it probably would be a hit with RPGers. Now whats the next rpg to get :hmmm: :rotfl2: |
I agree with Platapus if you are feeling burned out with a game or anything for that matter you are spending too much of your time with it.I have always had many different hobbies/pass times I enjoy playing various PC games and I might play one particular game for about a week or so and then do something else and I might not come back to the same game for weeks or even months.Also I like to work on my cars and I have a few old Datsun Z cars that I will bust knuckles on from time to time I have been restoring this 77 280 since about 2005 I could have finished it much sooner but I like to take a long time it gives me something to do.
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