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Originally Posted by Castout (Post 1603749)

Many of them actually look to the west for help and putting pressure.

And that's where I think you are mistaken. One should not assume that "help" from the US would be greeted with open arms.

Just because some people are revolting against their government does not necessarily mean they want US interference. Especially considering our "strings attached" foreign policy.

How much of the current situations were influenced because the US presumed that it was needed to "fix" stuff and went in assuming that people were indeed "looking to the west for help"? I suspect more than may be commonly believed.

More ships on the way.

Xuzhou a PLAN Jiangkai-II class missile frigate
Choi Young a ROKN KDX-II class destroyer
INS Jalashawa a Indian Navy Austin class LSD plus two unnamed escorts.

Photos of some ships in Malta and Libya:
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The Deutsche Marine (German Navy) Bremen-class frigate Rheinland-Pfalz enters Valletta's Grand Harbour February 25, 2011. Together with the support ship 'Berlin', it is in Malta in readiness for any eventuality, including evacuation of European Union citizens from Libya, according to local media.

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The Deutsche Marine (German Navy) Type 702 combat support ship 'Berlin' enters Valletta's Grand Harbour February 25, 2011. The ship is in Malta in readiness for any eventuality, including evacuation of European Union citizens from Libya, according to local media.

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Helicopters are seen inside the German Navy Ship "Berlin" as it arrives at the harbor in Valletta, Malta, Friday, Feb. 25, 2011. Maltese port authorities said the ship entered the Valletta harbor for shelter from rough seas.

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French (front) and German naval vessels (back) sit docked in the Maltese capital, Valletta on February 25, 2011. A group of four navel vessels from Germany, France and Italy are currently awaiting orders in Valetta in preparation for a possible evacuation of foreign nationals from Libya.

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A French frigate, Tourville sits docked in the Maltese capital, Valletta on February 25, 2011.

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An Italian naval ship sits docked in the Maltese capital, Valletta on February 25, 2011.

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Evacuees from Libya, mostly Chinese, arrive at the port of Herakleion, on Crete island on February 24, 2011. Thousands of Chinese and scores of Europeans began landing Thursday at the port of Heraklion on the Greek island of Crete after their evacuation from unrest-hit Libya aboard chartered Greek ferries. The first boat from the Libyan port of Benghazi, the ferry Hellenic Spirit, reached Heraklion after 1200 GMT and was followed by the ferry Olympic champion, an.

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The British frigate, HMS Cumberland is seen docked, in Benghazi, Libya February 24, 2011. HMS Cumberland was sent to Libya as part of Operation Deference, the name given to the operation to help British nationals in Libya. Britain urged the world to exert greater pressure on Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi on Thursday and the European Union said it was considering sending a humanitarian intervention force to the country.

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A boy stands next to residents and a former soldier of Muammar Gaddafi in Benghazi February 24, 2011. Residents of Benghazi have jailed those they say are mercenaries and set up defences around this eastern city now out of the control of leader Muammar Gaddafi, who has lost control of swathes of Libya. After a week of violence in which it threw off government control, this elegant port of about 700,000 is being run by committees of citizens as the dust of rebellion settles.

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Suspected African mercenaries sit in a room in a court as they are held by anti-government protesters, in Benghazi February 24, 2011. About a dozen people were being held in a court building who residents said were "mercenaries" backing Gaddafi. Some were said to be African and others from southern Libya.

FROM: Militaryphotos.net

Damn it, the French thing looks better than ours.:damn::damn:

:O:

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1606363)

Damn it, the French thing looks better than ours.:damn::damn:

:O:

Naw, that German Frigate is about 10 years newer and carries a bit more weapons.

I was talking about looks, not capabilities.;)

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1606373)

I was talking about looks, not capabilities.;)

Don't worry, the new FREMMs will destroy in look and capability those old german frigates. :O: :O:

TLAM Strike ... you are awesome. Your stuff is just great!! Thanks!

TLAM, is it CARSTRKGRU 1 which is the one that the New York Times refers to, in their story tonight about Pentagon's positioning of assets for possible action in Libya?

There's two major naval installations in Rota, Spain and Naples, Italy that could dispatch some ships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._installations

Kaye T. Bai wrote . . .

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Originally Posted by Kaye T. Bai (Post 1610514)

There's two major naval installations in Rota, Spain and Naples, Italy that could dispatch some ships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._installations

Rota is truly massive. I was dispatched there on temporary duty for two weeks in the early 90s [I was USAF, myself] and I walked and walked that installation in every direction. One day I was WAY distant from the main part of the base, and a U.S. diesel sub was docked at a very remote dock, and I talked my way on board for a short tour [luckily had my active duty military ID]. The rest is history -- it was the genesis of my love for all things naval.

Quite an update on U.S. naval assets located off Libya, by New York Times here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/wo...y.html?_r=1&hp

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1603933)

Castout, the global war on terror has drained the US, they simply cannot afford another open ended deployment.
What is needed is strong action by the UN, but that isn't going to happen until the big 5 have worked out who they think is going to be the winners to back and what contracts they think they can get out of the winner, that will drag on and on until al 5 are reasonably happy about what they think they are going to get out of it.
If they don't all agree that their favourite is on to a winner and they are going to benefit then you will end up with the all too frequent weak gesture a few weeks or months down the line.

Don't tell me there's nothing they could do to help. I just don't believe that. People are getting killed there. The civilians are forced to take up arms since Gaddafi are massacring the peaceful protesters.

The rebels have asked for air support from US or Europe. I think they are playing the waiting game. But I applaud president Obama plain and strong statement that Gaddafi needed to go.

I expect a lot from the British Prime Minister as well. David Cameron and Obama in my honest opinion are the two greatest state leaders the world have at the moment. I hope whatever they are trying to do that they do it sooner than later.

Someone mentioned that there's price to pay for action taken and inaction as well. I'm aware the fleet they are deploying is putting some kind of pressure on Gaddafi but that's not enough. What we have now is nothing but warlord trying to hold a city and regain the country through sheer violence and intimidation. These are human lives we are talking about. Persons just like you and me.

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Originally Posted by vois2 (Post 1610666)

The USAF also operates surface ships, strangely enough. :up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ates_Air_Force

I would like to see us help finish Quidaffi off. I know there are no guarantees, but the next regime has at least a possibility of being better.

I doubt Obama will do much of anything. IMO, a no-fly zone is pointless; it merely locks in a stalemate. It would be better to bomb his air bases and solve the problem that way. No-fly zones are just a substitute for action. If we didn't want to get 'directly' involved, we could send some small ground units, quietly; say a couple batteries of artillery and AA. It wouldn't take that much to tip the balance. At least, that is my guess.

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Originally Posted by TorpX (Post 1614492)

IMO, a no-fly zone is pointless; it merely locks in a stalemate. It would be better to bomb his air bases and solve the problem that way. No-fly zones are just a substitute for action. If we didn't want to get 'directly' involved, we could send some small ground units, quietly; say a couple batteries of artillery and AA. It wouldn't take that much to tip the balance. At least, that is my guess.

Yeah I agree they need to be involved not just in enforcing no fly zone but actively helping the rebels.

No fly zones, eh? Takes me back to the 1990s.

TLAM, is another update available on the listing of assets? (The last update was 02 March- I don't know whether you are in charge of the update at the site used before).

National Public Radio (in USA) was saying that USS Enterprise was diverted from Arabian Sea to go hang out in the Red Sea.